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To me, this actually sounds like a nice feature, if you have full control over it, i.e. you are sure all data stays on your device, it's a local AI, etc. And al

To me, this actually sounds like a nice feature, if you have full control over it, i.e. you are sure all data stays on your device, it's a local AI, etc. And also, you can easily enable/disable it, and you can easily see its current state. E.g. maybe a small red dot in the corner which indicates that it is currently enabled, and clicking on it will switch it off to gray, clicking again enables it again. And of course, Recall should be disabled by default. I actually did exactly this for myself for a while: A script took a screenshot every few seconds and dumped it into a DB. I had a few fun ideas and projects based on this: * https://github.com/albertz/png-db https://github.com/albertz/png-db: Store multiple PNG files more efficiently by sharing common data. This gives a compression rate of about 400-500%. (Maybe Windows Recall could use sth similar?) * https://github.com/albertz/screenshooting https://github.com/albertz/screenshooting: Scripts to analyze the screenshots. E.g. I wanted to collect the amount of time I was having coding in Eclipse. It was a reason to play around with OpenCV. Regarding logging the time, I later developed a simpler solution: Some script which records the focused app window and its opened content URL: https://github.com/albertz/timecapture https://github.com/albertz/timecapture

EasyMark 2y ago
Obviously it can be used for specific purposes. However this is a universal, omnipotent snapshot film of everything you do which will be readily available for hackers and hostile government officials, and there likely won't be a way to remove it easily if you hate that sort of thing. Probably have to write a script that monitors the files and deletes them, since MS has a knack for restoring things you delete by hand that they want you to keep for their benefit. Or they'll make it core to the system so you can't delete it without breaking the OS
gwbas1c 2y ago
I came here to post "Am I the only person who thinks this is a good idea?" I guess you do too. I like the idea that I can go back and see what was on my screen at some point in the past. I think with the focus on passkeys, we can worry less about snapshotting passwords. IMO, maybe they need a way for documents (that have passwords) and windows (for password managers) to flag that they should not be snapshotted.
- JonChesterfield 2y ago
  How much do you like the idea of Microsoft having a copy of everything you ever display on your screen, in perpetuity, for their gain as they see fit? Does your stance change if you consider the probability of that data remaining secure on their cloud approaching zero over time?
  - gwbas1c 2y ago
    They don't. It's stored on your computer. Go read the article. (It's not like MS downloads everything on your hard drive.)
    - JonChesterfield 2y ago
      Yeah, and I've got a bridge to sell you.
      - gwbas1c 2y ago
        Do you have any evidence of Microsoft doing similar spying tactics? If you don't trust your computer's supply chain, (hardware, software, internet, services,) you shouldn't use it. I don't trust Microsoft any more or less than any other vendor, and that includes open-source. With automatic updates, anyone (hardware vendor through drivers, software vendor) can backdoor you and grab all that information. We're even finding backdoors in (gasp) open-source software now.
        JonChesterfield 2y ago
        I don't trust Microsoft and I don't use their software. When they say this data will be secure, they mean they're going to stream it to their servers and look after it with the industry standard security of "whoops, we left the door unlocked again".
        gwbas1c 2y ago
CatWChainsaw 2y ago
That IF is carrying a metric fuckton of weight. And Microsoft has been so shady before that I wouldn't be inclined to trust something like a dot or a toggle - I'd want a hardware killswitch vetted by multiple reputable third parties.

EasyMark 2y ago

Obviously it can be used for specific purposes. However this is a universal, omnipotent snapshot film of everything you do which will be readily available for hackers and hostile government officials, and there likely won't be a way to remove it easily if you hate that sort of thing. Probably have to write a script that monitors the files and deletes them, since MS has a knack for restoring things you delete by hand that they want you to keep for their benefit. Or they'll make it core to the system so you can't delete it without breaking the OS

gwbas1c 2y ago

I came here to post "Am I the only person who thinks this is a good idea?" I guess you do too. I like the idea that I can go back and see what was on my screen at some point in the past. I think with the focus on passkeys, we can worry less about snapshotting passwords. IMO, maybe they need a way for documents (that have passwords) and windows (for password managers) to flag that they should not be snapshotted.

JonChesterfield 2y ago
How much do you like the idea of Microsoft having a copy of everything you ever display on your screen, in perpetuity, for their gain as they see fit? Does your stance change if you consider the probability of that data remaining secure on their cloud approaching zero over time?
- gwbas1c 2y ago
  They don't. It's stored on your computer. Go read the article. (It's not like MS downloads everything on your hard drive.)
  - JonChesterfield 2y ago
    Yeah, and I've got a bridge to sell you.
    - gwbas1c 2y ago
      Do you have any evidence of Microsoft doing similar spying tactics? If you don't trust your computer's supply chain, (hardware, software, internet, services,) you shouldn't use it. I don't trust Microsoft any more or less than any other vendor, and that includes open-source. With automatic updates, anyone (hardware vendor through drivers, software vendor) can backdoor you and grab all that information. We're even finding backdoors in (gasp) open-source software now.
      - JonChesterfield 2y ago
        I don't trust Microsoft and I don't use their software. When they say this data will be secure, they mean they're going to stream it to their servers and look after it with the industry standard security of "whoops, we left the door unlocked again".
        gwbas1c 2y ago

CatWChainsaw 2y ago

That IF is carrying a metric fuckton of weight. And Microsoft has been so shady before that I wouldn't be inclined to trust something like a dot or a toggle - I'd want a hardware killswitch vetted by multiple reputable third parties.