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I have a fairly skeptical view on the current AI hype cycle and the people pushing it as a panacea, and it has been somewhat personally frustrating to see AI be

I have a fairly skeptical view on the current AI hype cycle and the people pushing it as a panacea, and it has been somewhat personally frustrating to see AI being shoved into every product. To me it seems Yann is one of the few leaders in this space (at least one who is as public as he is) who is being realistic about LLMs, their capabilities, and their impact on computing. I’m glad he’s a countermeasure to the exaggeration and, dare I say, grift.

reducesuffering 2y ago
The biggest grifts here are the VC’s and megacorps looking to make billions without a damn to the consequences. Yann, unlike Geoff Hinton and Yoshua Bengio, is a consequence of “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” - Upton Sinclair The greatest prank these $-focused people ever pulled on you is that the $ agnostic scientists and researchers who never pursued fortunes are the grifters… FFS Kokotajlo was giving up 85% of his wealth just for the potential to criticize OpenAI and Scott Alexander just gives his blog proceeds away to research https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/acx-grants-results https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/acx-grants-results
- staticman2 2y ago
  As far as I know Scott Alexander isn't an A.I. expert, or even a pretend one on the internet.
  - reducesuffering 2y ago
    And yet his concerns predate Hinton and Bengio coming around to them…
    - staticman2 2y ago
      If my name is John Smith, I am not an A.I. expert and my opinion is "Eliezer Yudkowsky is right about A.I. safety" it would be strange if someone was going around saying "That great humanitarian, John Smith, is right about A.I. safety". It seems like a misattribution of the idea or argument. Just saying. Anyway this article wasn't about A.I. safety it was about a specific technology called LLMs. It's not clear if this discussion is on topic.
coffeefirst 2y ago
Yes... my new favorite use of ublock origin is to find the selector around the little sparkle icon that let's you autoreply "sounds good!" and banish it from my site.
pennybanks1 2y ago
I feel like its very deliberate what the companies are doing. They want to build hype. as much hype and money as they can afford. because look what its doing, look at the markets, the evaluations, its all part of some wheele to get consumers to get excited about their brands their future products etc. they are generating hype to generate money. i mean at the end of the day after its all said and done. who cares if no one wants to use any ai feature anymore. i meaan openai became a trillion dollar company and they move onto the next. microsoft doubles in value they move on. etc. its just annoying they even have the capabilities to do what they are doing. and its almost like we have no choice in the matter. until of course we choose with our wallets eventually but still
flembat 2y ago
On the other hand, any software that does not include AI asistance seems lifeless to me now. Why isn't this text box suggesting ideas to me...
- rgrmrts 2y ago
  Interesting! I’m very much the opposite. I never liked autocomplete or suggestions in text boxes (to a certain extent, e.g. I have common things like name and address saved in my password manager to suggest autofill for online shopping or whatever).

reducesuffering 2y ago

The biggest grifts here are the VC’s and megacorps looking to make billions without a damn to the consequences. Yann, unlike Geoff Hinton and Yoshua Bengio, is a consequence of “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” - Upton Sinclair The greatest prank these $-focused people ever pulled on you is that the $ agnostic scientists and researchers who never pursued fortunes are the grifters… FFS Kokotajlo was giving up 85% of his wealth just for the potential to criticize OpenAI and Scott Alexander just gives his blog proceeds away to research https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/acx-grants-results https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/acx-grants-results

staticman2 2y ago
As far as I know Scott Alexander isn't an A.I. expert, or even a pretend one on the internet.
- reducesuffering 2y ago
  And yet his concerns predate Hinton and Bengio coming around to them…
  - staticman2 2y ago
    If my name is John Smith, I am not an A.I. expert and my opinion is "Eliezer Yudkowsky is right about A.I. safety" it would be strange if someone was going around saying "That great humanitarian, John Smith, is right about A.I. safety". It seems like a misattribution of the idea or argument. Just saying. Anyway this article wasn't about A.I. safety it was about a specific technology called LLMs. It's not clear if this discussion is on topic.

coffeefirst 2y ago

Yes... my new favorite use of ublock origin is to find the selector around the little sparkle icon that let's you autoreply "sounds good!" and banish it from my site.

pennybanks1 2y ago

I feel like its very deliberate what the companies are doing. They want to build hype. as much hype and money as they can afford. because look what its doing, look at the markets, the evaluations, its all part of some wheele to get consumers to get excited about their brands their future products etc. they are generating hype to generate money. i mean at the end of the day after its all said and done. who cares if no one wants to use any ai feature anymore. i meaan openai became a trillion dollar company and they move onto the next. microsoft doubles in value they move on. etc. its just annoying they even have the capabilities to do what they are doing. and its almost like we have no choice in the matter. until of course we choose with our wallets eventually but still

flembat 2y ago

On the other hand, any software that does not include AI asistance seems lifeless to me now. Why isn't this text box suggesting ideas to me...

rgrmrts 2y ago
Interesting! I’m very much the opposite. I never liked autocomplete or suggestions in text boxes (to a certain extent, e.g. I have common things like name and address saved in my password manager to suggest autofill for online shopping or whatever).