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Well, I'm glad that you volunteered to go live in Soviet Russia or Fascist Germany, or a disarmed Native American tribe. Disarming population leads to tyranny

Well, I'm glad that you volunteered to go live in Soviet Russia or Fascist Germany, or a disarmed Native American tribe. Disarming population leads to tyranny without consequences.

tecleandor 2y ago
Or most of the EU countries as of today? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
ghnws 2y ago
TIL almost every european country is in a state of tyrnanny. Also Yemen which is one of the only countries with somewhat similar gun ownership compared to usa (bit less than half as many guns per capita) must be the epitome of freedom and safety.
- Gud 2y ago
  What about Switzerland? They have extremely liberal gun laws, on par with the USA. Perhaps it’s not the guns that are the problem? Perhaps it’s the overall dysfunction of the US as a country?
  - rspoerri 2y ago
    Every swiss that is issued the military gun (which is most) get a gun. They are trained by military professionals how to use the gun and hoe to store the weapon at home. It is for example forbidden and punishable by law, if something happens with your weapon, if you stored your weapons ready to shoot. You must remove the bolt and store it in a save, secured location. Using ammunition provided by the goverment must not be used, if it is used you will be punished. If you dont handle your weapon responsibly during trainig you may go to military prison. So probably it probably not really compareable to how most people learn to handle a weapon in the usa.
  - TheCoelacanth 2y ago
    Switzerland has very high rates of fun ownership, but their laws are far from lax. They are much stricter than the US. You need a permit to buy anything other than a hunting rifle. You can't buy a gun if you have been convicted of a crime, have an alcohol or drug addiction or express a dangerous attitude. You generally can't carry a gun except when going to and from hunting or a shooting range and you can't have the gun loaded in transit. It's also compulsory for most male citizens to learn to handle a gun safely, something which the US doesn't require even if you buy a gun.
    - yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
      > You need a permit to buy anything other than a hunting rifle. You can't buy a gun if you have been convicted of a crime, have an alcohol or drug addiction or express a dangerous attitude. ...as opposed to the US? Do you think you can just buy a machine gun over the counter without any checks in the states?
      - tialaramex 2y ago
        Not an actual machine gun (a weapon specifically designed for automatic high rate of fire), no. The US Supreme Court has repeatedly struck down reasonable restrictions for hand guns and rifles though, and seems likely to conclude that modifying a weapon to in effect become fully automatic is somehow OK. This creates a convenient gap which I don't think a reasonable person can believe is a mistake.
      - TheCoelacanth 2y ago
        You don't need a permit to buy a handgun (i.e. the ones used for nearly all of the crimes) in the US to my knowledge.
        ThunderSizzle 2y ago
        You don't need a permit to buy a gun, depending on the state, but you do need to pass a background check, show an ID, and if you wish to carry it outside your house, you probably need a permit, again depending on the state and whether you wish to conceal or open carry.
  - tialaramex 2y ago
    Although Switzerland does indeed have (by comparison to the rest of civilised countries) "Extremely liberal gun laws" and the higher deaths and injuries to match, it doesn't really compare to the US.
Sammi 2y ago
Most of the free democratic western world does not have a lax gun culture like the US has and yet there's no tyranny. Weird.
- selfmodruntime 2y ago
  This isn't as clear cut of a case as you make it out to be. Britain's recently been on a path of overregulation bordering tyranny and limiting free speech. Canada is on a similar path. German green and red party politicians recently caught flack for trying to criminalize unpleasant critique. Press freedom and press independence are actively getting worse and Europe is setting course on a path of nationalism and conservative hardliners and there's an active war being fought on its borders. Islamic nationalism is on the rise and the issue concerning unregulated migration has a real chance to cause uprisings in the continent. I do not like powerful guns in the hands of the population and I love the idea of a peaceful civilization without the need for violence, but you're living in a relatively short peaceful historic phase, which is just now starting to take a turn for worse again.
  - cwillu 2y ago
    And the US police routinely rob travellers of their cash and goods at gunpoint. So again, what good are the lax gun laws providing the populatnon against tyranny?
    - krapp 2y ago
      As we've learned recently, American gun owners don't give a shit about tyranny so long as the tyrants don't come for their guns. In fact, depending on whose head the boot comes down on, they'll even cheer it on.
  - Rodeoclash 2y ago
    And you're going to stop them with your guns? Good luck.
  - tim333 2y ago
    I don't think you can call the British thing tyranny, speaking as a Brit. Ok there have been some hate speech laws, but we have elections and can vote the pols out, no armed uprising required.
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Well, I'm glad that you volunteered to go live in Soviet Russia or Fascist Germany, or a disarmed Native American tribe. Disarming population leads to tyranny without consequences.

tecleandor 2y ago

Or most of the EU countries as of today? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

ghnws 2y ago

TIL almost every european country is in a state of tyrnanny. Also Yemen which is one of the only countries with somewhat similar gun ownership compared to usa (bit less than half as many guns per capita) must be the epitome of freedom and safety.

Gud 2y ago
What about Switzerland? They have extremely liberal gun laws, on par with the USA. Perhaps it’s not the guns that are the problem? Perhaps it’s the overall dysfunction of the US as a country?
- rspoerri 2y ago
  Every swiss that is issued the military gun (which is most) get a gun. They are trained by military professionals how to use the gun and hoe to store the weapon at home. It is for example forbidden and punishable by law, if something happens with your weapon, if you stored your weapons ready to shoot. You must remove the bolt and store it in a save, secured location. Using ammunition provided by the goverment must not be used, if it is used you will be punished. If you dont handle your weapon responsibly during trainig you may go to military prison. So probably it probably not really compareable to how most people learn to handle a weapon in the usa.
- TheCoelacanth 2y ago
  Switzerland has very high rates of fun ownership, but their laws are far from lax. They are much stricter than the US. You need a permit to buy anything other than a hunting rifle. You can't buy a gun if you have been convicted of a crime, have an alcohol or drug addiction or express a dangerous attitude. You generally can't carry a gun except when going to and from hunting or a shooting range and you can't have the gun loaded in transit. It's also compulsory for most male citizens to learn to handle a gun safely, something which the US doesn't require even if you buy a gun.
  - yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
    > You need a permit to buy anything other than a hunting rifle. You can't buy a gun if you have been convicted of a crime, have an alcohol or drug addiction or express a dangerous attitude. ...as opposed to the US? Do you think you can just buy a machine gun over the counter without any checks in the states?
    - tialaramex 2y ago
      Not an actual machine gun (a weapon specifically designed for automatic high rate of fire), no. The US Supreme Court has repeatedly struck down reasonable restrictions for hand guns and rifles though, and seems likely to conclude that modifying a weapon to in effect become fully automatic is somehow OK. This creates a convenient gap which I don't think a reasonable person can believe is a mistake.
    - TheCoelacanth 2y ago
      You don't need a permit to buy a handgun (i.e. the ones used for nearly all of the crimes) in the US to my knowledge.
      - ThunderSizzle 2y ago
        You don't need a permit to buy a gun, depending on the state, but you do need to pass a background check, show an ID, and if you wish to carry it outside your house, you probably need a permit, again depending on the state and whether you wish to conceal or open carry.
- tialaramex 2y ago
  Although Switzerland does indeed have (by comparison to the rest of civilised countries) "Extremely liberal gun laws" and the higher deaths and injuries to match, it doesn't really compare to the US.

Sammi 2y ago

Most of the free democratic western world does not have a lax gun culture like the US has and yet there's no tyranny. Weird.

selfmodruntime 2y ago
This isn't as clear cut of a case as you make it out to be. Britain's recently been on a path of overregulation bordering tyranny and limiting free speech. Canada is on a similar path. German green and red party politicians recently caught flack for trying to criminalize unpleasant critique. Press freedom and press independence are actively getting worse and Europe is setting course on a path of nationalism and conservative hardliners and there's an active war being fought on its borders. Islamic nationalism is on the rise and the issue concerning unregulated migration has a real chance to cause uprisings in the continent. I do not like powerful guns in the hands of the population and I love the idea of a peaceful civilization without the need for violence, but you're living in a relatively short peaceful historic phase, which is just now starting to take a turn for worse again.
- cwillu 2y ago
  And the US police routinely rob travellers of their cash and goods at gunpoint. So again, what good are the lax gun laws providing the populatnon against tyranny?
  - krapp 2y ago
    As we've learned recently, American gun owners don't give a shit about tyranny so long as the tyrants don't come for their guns. In fact, depending on whose head the boot comes down on, they'll even cheer it on.
- Rodeoclash 2y ago
  And you're going to stop them with your guns? Good luck.
- tim333 2y ago
  I don't think you can call the British thing tyranny, speaking as a Brit. Ok there have been some hate speech laws, but we have elections and can vote the pols out, no armed uprising required.

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