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Shame the author immediately threw out grapheneos "because they purley focus on privacy", the user experience is much better than lineage these days.

winterqt 2y ago
Graphene also has a way to sandbox Play Services, and may even allow Google Wallet using that, making it so that they don't have to dual boot.
- brnt 2y ago
  'may'? Does it work or is it wonky?
  - bitfilped 2y ago
    Google wallet doesn't work, but you can still use a watch as an alternative. To my knowledge it's the only feature that doesn't function on GrapheneOS.
em-bee 2y ago
also completely missed /e/OS-murena. based on lineage, de-googled and customized to be very user friendly. microg is available but optional. if graphene or calyx don't fit, then /e/OS is really the best option from all the remaining alternatives.
noman-land 2y ago
GrapheneOS is better than LineageOS by every metric. It's basically flawless.
- brnt 2y ago
  It has a very limited set of supported phones though, compared to LineageOS or /e/.
rkagerer 2y ago
Could you elaborate on how the user experience is better?
- potatoball 2y ago
  One thing I wanted to mention after reading the article is that LineageOS has Google servers hard coded into the OS, while GrapheneOS gives you the option of using their servers instead. It also allows you to selectively turn on certain features that require Google code, such as e-sim cards. LineageOS has their own implementation of gapps, which they have built into their sandbox system. I can choose to install Google services as a sandboxed app rather than a package that I have to flash to the OS at install time, as it is to my understanding you cannot flash gapps to an install that is not clean through implementations like microG.
  - tetris11 2y ago
    > LineageOS has their own implementation of gapps Really? Every installation I've seen with Lineage is to flash microG or MindTheGapps separately I've used lineage for a few years now with only Magisk as an extra zip (no gapps) and I have not seen any google activity.
    - SushiHippie 2y ago
      I think potatoball is talking about the connectivity checks https://grapheneos.org/features#privacy-by-default https://grapheneos.org/features#privacy-by-default
      - jcul 2y ago
        Also there are some GPS / location helper stuff that grafene proxies through its own servers by default, but you can switch to google's.
    - potatoball 2y ago
      Perhaps I phrased it a bit badly but the developers say that they sandbox Google Play as they would for any other app installed on the device. https://grapheneos.org/usage#sandboxed-google-play https://grapheneos.org/usage#sandboxed-google-play I unfortunately can’t speak to what they mean by sandboxed Google Play being ‘close to fully functional’ as I haven’t used it yet. I’ve also been trying to replace notification push servers for msg notifications as those are usually routed through Google services. This article has a short explanation of what I’m referring to: https://medium.com/@KaushalVasava/push-notification-in-android-how-its-work-2679d0bc0720 https://medium.com/@KaushalVasava/push-notification-in-andro... Like others have mentioned, I was also referring to the connectivity checks as well. GrapheneOS maintains some servers to provide the same service which the Google equivalents do, just without actually talking to Google.

winterqt 2y ago

Graphene also has a way to sandbox Play Services, and may even allow Google Wallet using that, making it so that they don't have to dual boot.

brnt 2y ago
'may'? Does it work or is it wonky?
- bitfilped 2y ago
  Google wallet doesn't work, but you can still use a watch as an alternative. To my knowledge it's the only feature that doesn't function on GrapheneOS.

em-bee 2y ago

also completely missed /e/OS-murena. based on lineage, de-googled and customized to be very user friendly. microg is available but optional. if graphene or calyx don't fit, then /e/OS is really the best option from all the remaining alternatives.

noman-land 2y ago

GrapheneOS is better than LineageOS by every metric. It's basically flawless.

brnt 2y ago
It has a very limited set of supported phones though, compared to LineageOS or /e/.

rkagerer 2y ago

Could you elaborate on how the user experience is better?

potatoball 2y ago
One thing I wanted to mention after reading the article is that LineageOS has Google servers hard coded into the OS, while GrapheneOS gives you the option of using their servers instead. It also allows you to selectively turn on certain features that require Google code, such as e-sim cards. LineageOS has their own implementation of gapps, which they have built into their sandbox system. I can choose to install Google services as a sandboxed app rather than a package that I have to flash to the OS at install time, as it is to my understanding you cannot flash gapps to an install that is not clean through implementations like microG.
- tetris11 2y ago
  > LineageOS has their own implementation of gapps Really? Every installation I've seen with Lineage is to flash microG or MindTheGapps separately I've used lineage for a few years now with only Magisk as an extra zip (no gapps) and I have not seen any google activity.
  - SushiHippie 2y ago
    I think potatoball is talking about the connectivity checks https://grapheneos.org/features#privacy-by-default https://grapheneos.org/features#privacy-by-default
    - jcul 2y ago
      Also there are some GPS / location helper stuff that grafene proxies through its own servers by default, but you can switch to google's.
  - potatoball 2y ago
    Perhaps I phrased it a bit badly but the developers say that they sandbox Google Play as they would for any other app installed on the device. https://grapheneos.org/usage#sandboxed-google-play https://grapheneos.org/usage#sandboxed-google-play I unfortunately can’t speak to what they mean by sandboxed Google Play being ‘close to fully functional’ as I haven’t used it yet. I’ve also been trying to replace notification push servers for msg notifications as those are usually routed through Google services. This article has a short explanation of what I’m referring to: https://medium.com/@KaushalVasava/push-notification-in-android-how-its-work-2679d0bc0720 https://medium.com/@KaushalVasava/push-notification-in-andro... Like others have mentioned, I was also referring to the connectivity checks as well. GrapheneOS maintains some servers to provide the same service which the Google equivalents do, just without actually talking to Google.