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> We should not give a sneaky and deceptive man this much power over our future. We should not give anybody this much power over our future.

ryandrake 2y ago
Just to state the obvious, "we" are not doing anything here. "We," as in "the general public 'we'" don't have much of a choice when someone has lots of money and lawyers and wants to use those resources to sneakily and deceptively make more money. Unless "we" elect better representatives who are willing to write and enforce laws governing the wealthy's ability to effectively do whatever they want, then "we" don't have much of a say.
a_wild_dandan 2y ago
This is why open source must win. I mean, it won't, but it's the only path to avoiding a silicon aristocracy.
- dbuder 2y ago
  Yes, an Open AI
- mensetmanusman 2y ago
  The code for these systems is around 1000 lines. It just takes $100,000,000 in electricity costs to execute the program. Open source might not matter.
  - nradov 2y ago
    I guess what we really need is super cheap fusion power or something? Or perhaps a way to easily share the cost by spreading the training load and electricity bill across millions of home computers?
    - mikhailfranco 2y ago
      You are 2.5 years and $375m behind Sam :) Nuclear fusion start-up Helion scores $375 million investment from Open AI CEO Sam Altman https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/05/sam-altman-puts-375-million-into-fusion-start-up-helion-energy.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/05/sam-altman-puts-375-million-...
    - CRConrad 2y ago
      It's not literally the electricity that's the problem. It's the power it -- the electricity for a tiny part, and all our data for the overwhelming majority -- gives to "Big Tech" rentiers, like Altman is or at least is aspiring to become.
    - vineyardmike 2y ago
      It's not literally the electricity that's the problem. It's also the billions in GPUs, and the teams of people fine tuning with reinforcement learning. Unlike most software projects that came before, Big AI Projects require a level of funding and coordination that can't be overcome with "more volunteers". It requires coordination and deep pockets - not for writing the code but for training it.
  - dopidopHN 2y ago
    Once again, marx and the mean of production strike

ryandrake 2y ago

Just to state the obvious, "we" are not doing anything here. "We," as in "the general public 'we'" don't have much of a choice when someone has lots of money and lawyers and wants to use those resources to sneakily and deceptively make more money. Unless "we" elect better representatives who are willing to write and enforce laws governing the wealthy's ability to effectively do whatever they want, then "we" don't have much of a say.

a_wild_dandan 2y ago

This is why open source must win. I mean, it won't, but it's the only path to avoiding a silicon aristocracy.

dbuder 2y ago
Yes, an Open AI
mensetmanusman 2y ago
The code for these systems is around 1000 lines. It just takes $100,000,000 in electricity costs to execute the program. Open source might not matter.
- nradov 2y ago
  I guess what we really need is super cheap fusion power or something? Or perhaps a way to easily share the cost by spreading the training load and electricity bill across millions of home computers?
  - mikhailfranco 2y ago
    You are 2.5 years and $375m behind Sam :) Nuclear fusion start-up Helion scores $375 million investment from Open AI CEO Sam Altman https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/05/sam-altman-puts-375-million-into-fusion-start-up-helion-energy.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/05/sam-altman-puts-375-million-...
  - CRConrad 2y ago
    It's not literally the electricity that's the problem. It's the power it -- the electricity for a tiny part, and all our data for the overwhelming majority -- gives to "Big Tech" rentiers, like Altman is or at least is aspiring to become.
  - vineyardmike 2y ago
    It's not literally the electricity that's the problem. It's also the billions in GPUs, and the teams of people fine tuning with reinforcement learning. Unlike most software projects that came before, Big AI Projects require a level of funding and coordination that can't be overcome with "more volunteers". It requires coordination and deep pockets - not for writing the code but for training it.
- dopidopHN 2y ago
  Once again, marx and the mean of production strike