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literally, how does anyone find this acceptable? It makes me feel dumb that I find this outrageous, like the emperor's new clothes: y'all can see this too righ

literally, how does anyone find this acceptable? It makes me feel dumb that I find this outrageous, like the emperor's new clothes: y'all can see this too right?

rsynnott 2y ago
My strong suspicion is that, for, say, the CEO of Google, this is less about "this will improve the product", or even "LLMs are the future, so we should use them in the present even though they don't work", and more "this is what the markets, which are collectively kinda dumb, have decided they will reward this year, so we will appease them until such time as they move onto a new toy." See Our Lord and Saviour the Blockchain; for a year or so practically every company was announcing some sort of blockchain thing. Did any of these come to anything? Of course not, but that was, when it comes to it, hardly the point. LLMs are a particularly dramatic example, but I suspect the dynamic is, in reality, more or less the same as metaverses, blockchains, the _previous_ AI bubble (remember the year or so when everyone was announcing chatbots, until Microsoft Tay kinda scared everyone off it abruptly?), and so on.
add-sub-mul-div 2y ago
The retrospectives of this decade are going to be gloriously stupid.
- neilv 2y ago
  It's got what plants crave: electrolytes.
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EGreg 2y ago
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- recursive 2y ago
  It may be a doctored image. But we don't know. I don't think these things are deterministic. At least not just with search query. It could be real, and you might get a real response that makes sense.
  - hehdhdjehehegwv 2y ago
    it’s just ten RNGs and a dictionary in a trench coat.
- 12_throw_away 2y ago
  Google may return different results at different times
  - EGreg 2y ago
    Let me know if you ever get a result that's as wildly incorrect as those
    - runiq 2y ago
      I did, but you wouldn't believe me anyways.
      - EGreg 2y ago
        1. https://nationalpost.com/entertainment/celebrity/no-one-will-ever-believe-you-photo-evidence-of-ultimate-troll-bill-murray-stealing-french-fries-finally-surfaces https://nationalpost.com/entertainment/celebrity/no-one-will... 2. When another Anonymous video drops, how do we know it’s the real Anonymous? Do they even know?
    - fallingsquirrel 2y ago
      This WSJ article has lots of examples. https://archive.is/20220817223004/https://www.wsj.com/articles/googles-featured-answers-aim-to-distill-truthbut-often-get-it-wrong-1510847867 https://archive.is/20220817223004/https://www.wsj.com/articl...
asrael_io 2y ago
Yeah, it's a full on clown world at this point.
tmpz22 2y ago
> how does anyone find this acceptable? Many in the tech community have high expectations for Google engineering quality and product development. The expectations are now too high, much like the executives who pushed this feature.
- schmidt_fifty 2y ago
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- berkes 2y ago
  > Many in the tech community have high expectations for Google engineering quality and product development Wait? Whom has these expectations? I presumed most in the tech industry scoff at anything Google launches, point at Google Graveyard or at all the failures they've been through. Seriously: aside from search, ads and android, what product has Google developed ever that is of high quality and meeting the high quality? Maybe maps at some point? Gmail, maybe? Google docs? For each and every google product, I can name two competitors that meet much higher expectations of engineering.
  - hehdhdjehehegwv 2y ago
    Really the only 100% in-house products are Search and Gmail. The rest was bolted on piecemeal into the Borg: maps, android, double click, docs, YouTube, etc. - all acquired. That’s not a bad thing, Google is really a story about a shrewd - even brilliant - acquisition and integration strategy. However, they have systemically failed to grow new things in-house - be it space balloon internet, being an ISP, games network, etc etc. They are likely better off just buying Anthropic at this point.
  - nolist_policy 2y ago
    Chrome, Chromebooks and Android. Non-Products: Kubernetes and MGLRU.
    - mirsadm 2y ago
      Android is anything but high quality. There are so many baffling and poorly thought out ideas it's a dumpster fire.
user90131313 2y ago
It will correct itself soon. Like it will be better at in 5 years because it will. Trust them and learn wrong things.
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literally, how does anyone find this acceptable? It makes me feel dumb that I find this outrageous, like the emperor's new clothes: y'all can see this too right?

rsynnott 2y ago

My strong suspicion is that, for, say, the CEO of Google, this is less about "this will improve the product", or even "LLMs are the future, so we should use them in the present even though they don't work", and more "this is what the markets, which are collectively kinda dumb, have decided they will reward this year, so we will appease them until such time as they move onto a new toy." See Our Lord and Saviour the Blockchain; for a year or so practically every company was announcing some sort of blockchain thing. Did any of these come to anything? Of course not, but that was, when it comes to it, hardly the point. LLMs are a particularly dramatic example, but I suspect the dynamic is, in reality, more or less the same as metaverses, blockchains, the _previous_ AI bubble (remember the year or so when everyone was announcing chatbots, until Microsoft Tay kinda scared everyone off it abruptly?), and so on.

add-sub-mul-div 2y ago

The retrospectives of this decade are going to be gloriously stupid.

neilv 2y ago
It's got what plants crave: electrolytes.

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EGreg 2y ago

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recursive 2y ago
It may be a doctored image. But we don't know. I don't think these things are deterministic. At least not just with search query. It could be real, and you might get a real response that makes sense.
- hehdhdjehehegwv 2y ago
  it’s just ten RNGs and a dictionary in a trench coat.
12_throw_away 2y ago
Google may return different results at different times
- EGreg 2y ago
  Let me know if you ever get a result that's as wildly incorrect as those
  - runiq 2y ago
    I did, but you wouldn't believe me anyways.
    - EGreg 2y ago
      1. https://nationalpost.com/entertainment/celebrity/no-one-will-ever-believe-you-photo-evidence-of-ultimate-troll-bill-murray-stealing-french-fries-finally-surfaces https://nationalpost.com/entertainment/celebrity/no-one-will... 2. When another Anonymous video drops, how do we know it’s the real Anonymous? Do they even know?
  - fallingsquirrel 2y ago
    This WSJ article has lots of examples. https://archive.is/20220817223004/https://www.wsj.com/articles/googles-featured-answers-aim-to-distill-truthbut-often-get-it-wrong-1510847867 https://archive.is/20220817223004/https://www.wsj.com/articl...

asrael_io 2y ago

Yeah, it's a full on clown world at this point.

tmpz22 2y ago

> how does anyone find this acceptable? Many in the tech community have high expectations for Google engineering quality and product development. The expectations are now too high, much like the executives who pushed this feature.

schmidt_fifty 2y ago
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berkes 2y ago
> Many in the tech community have high expectations for Google engineering quality and product development Wait? Whom has these expectations? I presumed most in the tech industry scoff at anything Google launches, point at Google Graveyard or at all the failures they've been through. Seriously: aside from search, ads and android, what product has Google developed ever that is of high quality and meeting the high quality? Maybe maps at some point? Gmail, maybe? Google docs? For each and every google product, I can name two competitors that meet much higher expectations of engineering.
- hehdhdjehehegwv 2y ago
  Really the only 100% in-house products are Search and Gmail. The rest was bolted on piecemeal into the Borg: maps, android, double click, docs, YouTube, etc. - all acquired. That’s not a bad thing, Google is really a story about a shrewd - even brilliant - acquisition and integration strategy. However, they have systemically failed to grow new things in-house - be it space balloon internet, being an ISP, games network, etc etc. They are likely better off just buying Anthropic at this point.
- nolist_policy 2y ago
  Chrome, Chromebooks and Android. Non-Products: Kubernetes and MGLRU.
  - mirsadm 2y ago
    Android is anything but high quality. There are so many baffling and poorly thought out ideas it's a dumpster fire.

user90131313 2y ago

It will correct itself soon. Like it will be better at in 5 years because it will. Trust them and learn wrong things.

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