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Much more interesting would be "heavenbanning": https://twitter.com/nearcyan/status/1532076277947330561 https://twitter.com/nearcyan/status/1532076277947330561

ChrisMarshallNY 2y ago
That's a riot! Yeah, it could definitely happen.
jokoon 2y ago
never heard of that is that proven? how did they find about that? is it reddit doing it, or is it other users? EDIT: ok so that's a fake screenshot, the users says it is... sorry but this is misleading. he says hypothetical, and then makes a fake screenshot with the NYT on it, that's really disingenuine. twitter gonna twitter
- r721 2y ago
  The screenshot is illustrative/fake, from the next tweet in linked thread: >although the above article is fake (hence my phrasing as a 'hypothetical' and the article being dated in the future in 2024!), it's feasible to build this as a weekend project at this point, so it won't remain fake for very long now!
  - zztop44 2y ago
    And the ad for Google “shower cams” ;)
shadowgovt 2y ago
Given what we know about how people can end up radicalized in echo chambers with like-minded humans, auto-ensconcing outliers in an echo chamber of fake respondents agreeing with them sounds like a recipe for fomenting a lot of stochastic terrorism.
jl6 2y ago
You are so right about that!
vundercind 2y ago
Link goes to a “something went wrong” error page.
- pseudalopex 2y ago
  The link is valid.
  - vundercind 2y ago
    Just tried again. “Something went wrong” with a try again button. Hit “try again.” Same error. [edit] tried a totally different internet connection with different local network. Same result.
zero-sharp 2y ago
Seems like a great way to build extremism.
- NoMoreNicksLeft 2y ago
  I'll bet you $10 that this ends up being used a full 30 years before it's well-understood what problems it causes.
- lo_zamoyski 2y ago
  A better tactic is to have the bots propose the contrary view.
  - walthamstow 2y ago
    Yeah, of course, but that's bad for engagement and revenue, so it won't happen
  - djhn 2y ago
    But what if they love arguing? That might train the extremists to be better at arguing their point until they manage to convince the bots or at least make some headway. A free adversarial neural network to improve persuasion skills at scale. Oh wait, that’s what the internet already is.
evantbyrne 2y ago
Besides the obvious issue of operating cost, this seems like it would just further reinforce the undesirable behavior.
- carimura 2y ago
  but if a tree falls in a forest and no one hears it?
- NoMoreNicksLeft 2y ago
  There might actually be a The Good Place effect. The universe is filled with counter-intuitive mechanisms, but it's hard to tell just how densely filled with them because that's also counter-intuitive.
ysofunny 2y ago
I independently came up with this idea. but not this way to name it. also, why would the AIs give only praise? they could also be mean and evil; would that be "hellbanning"?
somedude895 2y ago
Wait is this real? So glad I left Reddit, that's really fucked up.
- fvrghl 2y ago
  No, the author of the tweet states it is fake in the following tweet. It's just a hypothetical.
- canadiantim 2y ago
  Fake, but plausible
lo_zamoyski 2y ago
The desire to quietly move people into a fictional bubble to "neutralize" them, of managing people without them knowing it, and keeping them busy so they don't do something you don't want them to do. It's like having a physically unfit student demand very aggressively to be put on the football team, and instead of telling him he doesn't make the cut because you're afraid he might pull out a gun, you put some VR goggles on him and run Madden and tell him he's been accepted. (Some would call this tactic a symptom of the feminization of management.) Of course, a person in a bubble like that might actually become more radicalized. And if a person discovers he's been had by looking at, say, his friend's Reddit version, he might become angry enough to do something, angrier even than if he had just been told "no", because now he's been made a fool.
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ChrisMarshallNY 2y ago

That's a riot! Yeah, it could definitely happen.

jokoon 2y ago

never heard of that is that proven? how did they find about that? is it reddit doing it, or is it other users? EDIT: ok so that's a fake screenshot, the users says it is... sorry but this is misleading. he says hypothetical, and then makes a fake screenshot with the NYT on it, that's really disingenuine. twitter gonna twitter

r721 2y ago
The screenshot is illustrative/fake, from the next tweet in linked thread: >although the above article is fake (hence my phrasing as a 'hypothetical' and the article being dated in the future in 2024!), it's feasible to build this as a weekend project at this point, so it won't remain fake for very long now!
- zztop44 2y ago
  And the ad for Google “shower cams” ;)

shadowgovt 2y ago

Given what we know about how people can end up radicalized in echo chambers with like-minded humans, auto-ensconcing outliers in an echo chamber of fake respondents agreeing with them sounds like a recipe for fomenting a lot of stochastic terrorism.

jl6 2y ago

You are so right about that!

vundercind 2y ago

Link goes to a “something went wrong” error page.

pseudalopex 2y ago
The link is valid.
- vundercind 2y ago
  Just tried again. “Something went wrong” with a try again button. Hit “try again.” Same error. [edit] tried a totally different internet connection with different local network. Same result.

zero-sharp 2y ago

Seems like a great way to build extremism.

NoMoreNicksLeft 2y ago
I'll bet you $10 that this ends up being used a full 30 years before it's well-understood what problems it causes.
lo_zamoyski 2y ago
A better tactic is to have the bots propose the contrary view.
- walthamstow 2y ago
  Yeah, of course, but that's bad for engagement and revenue, so it won't happen
- djhn 2y ago
  But what if they love arguing? That might train the extremists to be better at arguing their point until they manage to convince the bots or at least make some headway. A free adversarial neural network to improve persuasion skills at scale. Oh wait, that’s what the internet already is.

evantbyrne 2y ago

Besides the obvious issue of operating cost, this seems like it would just further reinforce the undesirable behavior.

carimura 2y ago
but if a tree falls in a forest and no one hears it?
NoMoreNicksLeft 2y ago
There might actually be a The Good Place effect. The universe is filled with counter-intuitive mechanisms, but it's hard to tell just how densely filled with them because that's also counter-intuitive.

ysofunny 2y ago

I independently came up with this idea. but not this way to name it. also, why would the AIs give only praise? they could also be mean and evil; would that be "hellbanning"?

somedude895 2y ago

Wait is this real? So glad I left Reddit, that's really fucked up.

fvrghl 2y ago
No, the author of the tweet states it is fake in the following tweet. It's just a hypothetical.
canadiantim 2y ago
Fake, but plausible

lo_zamoyski 2y ago

The desire to quietly move people into a fictional bubble to "neutralize" them, of managing people without them knowing it, and keeping them busy so they don't do something you don't want them to do. It's like having a physically unfit student demand very aggressively to be put on the football team, and instead of telling him he doesn't make the cut because you're afraid he might pull out a gun, you put some VR goggles on him and run Madden and tell him he's been accepted. (Some would call this tactic a symptom of the feminization of management.) Of course, a person in a bubble like that might actually become more radicalized. And if a person discovers he's been had by looking at, say, his friend's Reddit version, he might become angry enough to do something, angrier even than if he had just been told "no", because now he's been made a fool.

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