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Why do you perceive wearing a seatbelt on a flight and minimising time out of a seat as such a high cost/inconvenience? I hear this line of thought a lot, parti

by jna_sh 2y ago

Why do you perceive wearing a seatbelt on a flight and minimising time out of a seat as such a high cost/inconvenience? I hear this line of thought a lot, particularly nowadays around masking to avoid COVID, and I’m always intrigued by this idea that avoiding this tiny act that barely impacts you is somehow sticking a big middle finger up to fear

portaouflop 2y ago
If humans beings were perfectly rational at all times everywhere then the world would look a lot different (and much less exciting I presume)
- MattPalmer1086 2y ago
  If human beings were even marginally rational most of the time it would look a lot different!
  - fuzztester 2y ago
    Solid. Fear and greed drive markets - Anon. And humans - Me.
marcinzm 2y ago
Because there's millions of those tiny acts and I doubt you've read the risk analysis of each one to decide which fifty thousand to follow. But if you actually do consider them rationally and act on them then cool. Most people who say what you do however don't but rather act based on an irrational perception of risks usually due to things like media attention or misclassifying lack of control as risk. I've met people who actually and rationally consider all the potential risks and I respect them. It's also an exhausting life to lead from my observation.
Aeolun 2y ago
To be honest, time out of seat is a deliberate choice. My legs are long, and the seats are tiny! I do wear a seatbelt when in seat, though more out of fear than expectation something like that will ever happen. It just seems like an incredibly stupid way to die, and mitigating it costs me nothing.
lurking15 2y ago
> particularly nowadays around masking to avoid COVID Ah ok, as I suspected a covid authoritarian that’s deluded and ruthlessly mocking ANY recognition of cost in the cost-benefit analysis of safety measures, meanwhile overestimating the benefit all together.
- jna_sh 2y ago
  I don't believe I mocked anyone, maybe I mocked the idea that anyone who wears a seatbelt on a flight is gripped by fear. I apologise to the concept.
  - lurking15 2y ago
    nah it's this covid authoritarianism that blows risks out of proportion and usually with scant evidence and does it in a categorical way that ignores impacts which often have WORSE harms than the thing they're trying to protect against in the flight case, it could very well be that if you were able to count, there's more harm from DVT from sitting in a seat all flight, versus getting up to walk around regularly and potentially being hurt by turbulence just a cursory search shows ~300 serious injuries in 30 years tracked by the FAA
    - jna_sh 2y ago
      Sure, but if someone told me they were getting up for a walk on a flight because they didn’t want to get DVT, I wouldn’t go on a tirade about how their life was ruled by fear. That’s what my original comment was intending to address.
      - lurking15 2y ago
        but the point is that walking around a plane is relatively safe, and severe turbulence is rare, so much so that you'd probably better off walking around fairly regularly if only due to less DVT risk

by jna_sh 2y ago

portaouflop 2y ago

If humans beings were perfectly rational at all times everywhere then the world would look a lot different (and much less exciting I presume)

MattPalmer1086 2y ago
If human beings were even marginally rational most of the time it would look a lot different!
- fuzztester 2y ago
  Solid. Fear and greed drive markets - Anon. And humans - Me.

marcinzm 2y ago

Because there's millions of those tiny acts and I doubt you've read the risk analysis of each one to decide which fifty thousand to follow. But if you actually do consider them rationally and act on them then cool. Most people who say what you do however don't but rather act based on an irrational perception of risks usually due to things like media attention or misclassifying lack of control as risk. I've met people who actually and rationally consider all the potential risks and I respect them. It's also an exhausting life to lead from my observation.

Aeolun 2y ago

To be honest, time out of seat is a deliberate choice. My legs are long, and the seats are tiny! I do wear a seatbelt when in seat, though more out of fear than expectation something like that will ever happen. It just seems like an incredibly stupid way to die, and mitigating it costs me nothing.

lurking15 2y ago

> particularly nowadays around masking to avoid COVID Ah ok, as I suspected a covid authoritarian that’s deluded and ruthlessly mocking ANY recognition of cost in the cost-benefit analysis of safety measures, meanwhile overestimating the benefit all together.

jna_sh 2y ago
I don't believe I mocked anyone, maybe I mocked the idea that anyone who wears a seatbelt on a flight is gripped by fear. I apologise to the concept.
- lurking15 2y ago
  nah it's this covid authoritarianism that blows risks out of proportion and usually with scant evidence and does it in a categorical way that ignores impacts which often have WORSE harms than the thing they're trying to protect against in the flight case, it could very well be that if you were able to count, there's more harm from DVT from sitting in a seat all flight, versus getting up to walk around regularly and potentially being hurt by turbulence just a cursory search shows ~300 serious injuries in 30 years tracked by the FAA
  - jna_sh 2y ago
    Sure, but if someone told me they were getting up for a walk on a flight because they didn’t want to get DVT, I wouldn’t go on a tirade about how their life was ruled by fear. That’s what my original comment was intending to address.
    - lurking15 2y ago
      but the point is that walking around a plane is relatively safe, and severe turbulence is rare, so much so that you'd probably better off walking around fairly regularly if only due to less DVT risk