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They didn’t steal her voice, they paid someone with a similar voice. It’s still not nice, but not stealing.

saberience 2y ago
How do you know that? The timeline of events makes it seem fairly clear that they were in fact using her voice. If it was just a soundalike, why suddenly take it down?
- tmalsburg2 2y ago
  Didn't they also ask for permission from her two days before releasing the voice? Why ask permission if it was not her voice?
  - ptman 2y ago
    They refused to provide documentation of how the voice was trained.
  - eviks 2y ago
    To avoid negative PR and legal risk stemming from confusion
splatzone 2y ago
They passed off Sky as Johansson’s voice though. It’s highly misleading and passing off is a kind of theft of her persona.
- KaoruAoiShiho 2y ago
  It sounds nothing like johansson, like nothing at all. https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1cx1np4/voice_comparison_between_gpt4o_and_scarlett/ https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1cx1np4/voice_... This whole controversy makes no sense and is obvious that the media is looking for something to attack openai with.
  - harryf 2y ago
    Sounds like they just shifted the voice with some Fast Fourier transforms - https://stackoverflow.com/questions/63339608/change-the-melody-of-human-speech-using-fft-and-polynomial-interpolation https://stackoverflow.com/questions/63339608/change-the-melo...
  - deanc 2y ago
    Indeed. I was looking for a sample this morning and it’s just nonsense. Sounds like a polite American voice actor female. Johansson has many mannerisms and a different accent. Sounds nothing like her.
  - tim333 2y ago
    To my ears it sounds similar but not identical - I can tell which is which. Apparently they selected the actress from auditions in early 2023, a while before the Johansson timeline. Of course the OpenAI folk would likely have seen Her and may have selected someone sounding like that.
  - twobitshifter 2y ago
    If you read that thread you will see a link to the sky voice outside of the demo voice which is much closer. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RcgV2u9Kxh0 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RcgV2u9Kxh0
harryf 2y ago
A technical audit would clear that up. Because the most obvious thing for OpenAI do would be training the voice on Scarlett Johansson's available body of work, from movies, audiobooks, podcasts etc. Why bother hiring a voice actor?
- amelius 2y ago
  Maybe because you still have to annotate the parts where she speaks.
  - jdiff 2y ago
    That's what Whisper's for
  - klyrs 2y ago
    Hang on, are you actually suggesting that the hard part for OpenAI is data labeling? Are you arguing from ignorance, or arguing in bad faith?
    - amelius 2y ago
      Well, in general the value is in the data and the silicon. Anyone can come up with DL networks these days.
      - klyrs 2y ago
        Bad faith, then.
mvdtnz 2y ago
They absolutely stole her voice. I don't know if you're being intentionally naive or you really are this way, but either way you need to stop it.
- stevenhuang 2y ago
  If you think it sounds similar you need your ears cleaned.
  - klyrs 2y ago
    That's weird, because her friends and family thought it sounded like her too.
    - r2_pilot 2y ago
      That's weird, because I didn't know it's impossible for 2 humans from the same country to sound anything alike. (or, what makes a fundamental characteristic of a person? Does it change over time? Can they change it deliberately or is this something that can't change? This whole debate is somewhat pointless without definitions)
      - klyrs 2y ago
        You're gaslighting. Sam's "her" tweet was a deliberate reference to Scarlett Johansson's likeness, in marketing the release of this feature. OpenAI approached Johansson directly to obtain permission to use her likeness. Your attempt to make me question the nature of reality itself is pathetic in light of the actions taken by Sam Altman.
        r2_pilot 2y ago
        Gaslighting is not my intent. I don't believe people should be able to control singular words or letters, I don't believe that any one human is so unique or distinct that one single trait can define them, and I don't believe that humans are all that unique even in the aggregate. If we want to discuss what it means to "use someone's voice", then by all means, let's define our terms and have a productive conversation. They got rebuffed, so they used someone else. If they didn't and still used a voice clone of her utterances, then she has legal recourse. Probably the reason they tried again was to head this situation off at the pass, thus saving the world all the bullshit that has spawned, including this thread. I'm sorry your understanding of the nature of reality itself is so shallow that Sam Altman can nudge it(I recommend staying far away from drugs!). But then again, this whole discussion is about people who I will never meet nor care to meet at all(including you, dear reader!), so from my perspective I may as well be talking about imaginary beings.
ZiiS 2y ago
Image rights are complex and separate from stealing. If they deliberately used an actress that looks like her in an advert. A bit of makeup, a latex mask, digital touch up, full deep fake; at some point most people can no longer tell the difference.
onel 2y ago
Using an impersonator is still stealing. There was this Ford case https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midler_v._Ford_Motor_Co https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midler_v._Ford_Motor_Co.

How do you know that? The timeline of events makes it seem fairly clear that they were in fact using her voice. If it was just a soundalike, why suddenly take it down?

tmalsburg2 2y ago
Didn't they also ask for permission from her two days before releasing the voice? Why ask permission if it was not her voice?
- ptman 2y ago
  They refused to provide documentation of how the voice was trained.
- eviks 2y ago
  To avoid negative PR and legal risk stemming from confusion

splatzone 2y ago

They passed off Sky as Johansson’s voice though. It’s highly misleading and passing off is a kind of theft of her persona.

KaoruAoiShiho 2y ago
It sounds nothing like johansson, like nothing at all. https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1cx1np4/voice_comparison_between_gpt4o_and_scarlett/ https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1cx1np4/voice_... This whole controversy makes no sense and is obvious that the media is looking for something to attack openai with.
- harryf 2y ago
  Sounds like they just shifted the voice with some Fast Fourier transforms - https://stackoverflow.com/questions/63339608/change-the-melody-of-human-speech-using-fft-and-polynomial-interpolation https://stackoverflow.com/questions/63339608/change-the-melo...
- deanc 2y ago
  Indeed. I was looking for a sample this morning and it’s just nonsense. Sounds like a polite American voice actor female. Johansson has many mannerisms and a different accent. Sounds nothing like her.
- tim333 2y ago
  To my ears it sounds similar but not identical - I can tell which is which. Apparently they selected the actress from auditions in early 2023, a while before the Johansson timeline. Of course the OpenAI folk would likely have seen Her and may have selected someone sounding like that.
- twobitshifter 2y ago
  If you read that thread you will see a link to the sky voice outside of the demo voice which is much closer. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RcgV2u9Kxh0 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RcgV2u9Kxh0

harryf 2y ago

A technical audit would clear that up. Because the most obvious thing for OpenAI do would be training the voice on Scarlett Johansson's available body of work, from movies, audiobooks, podcasts etc. Why bother hiring a voice actor?

amelius 2y ago
Maybe because you still have to annotate the parts where she speaks.
- jdiff 2y ago
  That's what Whisper's for
- klyrs 2y ago
  Hang on, are you actually suggesting that the hard part for OpenAI is data labeling? Are you arguing from ignorance, or arguing in bad faith?
  - amelius 2y ago
    Well, in general the value is in the data and the silicon. Anyone can come up with DL networks these days.
    - klyrs 2y ago
      Bad faith, then.

mvdtnz 2y ago

They absolutely stole her voice. I don't know if you're being intentionally naive or you really are this way, but either way you need to stop it.

stevenhuang 2y ago
If you think it sounds similar you need your ears cleaned.
- klyrs 2y ago
  That's weird, because her friends and family thought it sounded like her too.
  - r2_pilot 2y ago
    That's weird, because I didn't know it's impossible for 2 humans from the same country to sound anything alike. (or, what makes a fundamental characteristic of a person? Does it change over time? Can they change it deliberately or is this something that can't change? This whole debate is somewhat pointless without definitions)
    - klyrs 2y ago
      You're gaslighting. Sam's "her" tweet was a deliberate reference to Scarlett Johansson's likeness, in marketing the release of this feature. OpenAI approached Johansson directly to obtain permission to use her likeness. Your attempt to make me question the nature of reality itself is pathetic in light of the actions taken by Sam Altman.
      - r2_pilot 2y ago
        Gaslighting is not my intent. I don't believe people should be able to control singular words or letters, I don't believe that any one human is so unique or distinct that one single trait can define them, and I don't believe that humans are all that unique even in the aggregate. If we want to discuss what it means to "use someone's voice", then by all means, let's define our terms and have a productive conversation. They got rebuffed, so they used someone else. If they didn't and still used a voice clone of her utterances, then she has legal recourse. Probably the reason they tried again was to head this situation off at the pass, thus saving the world all the bullshit that has spawned, including this thread. I'm sorry your understanding of the nature of reality itself is so shallow that Sam Altman can nudge it(I recommend staying far away from drugs!). But then again, this whole discussion is about people who I will never meet nor care to meet at all(including you, dear reader!), so from my perspective I may as well be talking about imaginary beings.

ZiiS 2y ago

Image rights are complex and separate from stealing. If they deliberately used an actress that looks like her in an advert. A bit of makeup, a latex mask, digital touch up, full deep fake; at some point most people can no longer tell the difference.

onel 2y ago

Using an impersonator is still stealing. There was this Ford case https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midler_v._Ford_Motor_Co https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midler_v._Ford_Motor_Co.