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The thing about the situation is that Altman is willing to lie and steal a celebrity's voice for use in ChatGPT. What he did, the timeline, everything - is sle
by windexh8er 2y ago
The thing about the situation is that Altman is willing to lie and steal a celebrity's voice for use in ChatGPT. What he did, the timeline, everything - is sleazy if, in fact, that's the story.
The really concerning part here is that Altman is, and wants to be, a large part of AI regulation [0]. Quite the public contradiction.
[0] https://www.businessinsider.com/sam-altman-openai-artificial-intelligence-regulation-international-agency-2024-5?op=1 https://www.businessinsider.com/sam-altman-openai-artificial...
- dvhh 2y agoSome people might see some parallel with SBF and see how Altman would try to regulate competition without impeding OpenAI progress
- viking123 2y agoI always mix up those two in my head and have to think which one is which
- ocodo 2y agoOne is in jail, when it should be two are in jail
- garbthetill 2y agoI dont like sam, but he moves way smarter than ppl like sbf or Elizabeth holmes. He actual has a product close to the reported specs, albeit still far away from the ultimate goal of AGI i dont see why he should be in jail
- choppaface 2y agoShould be in jail for Worldcoin which has pilfered people of their biological identity. I guess you could literally delete Worldcoin and in theory make people whole, but that company treats humans like vegetables that have no rights.
- Findecanor 2y agoIf his sister's words about sexually abusing her are true, he should be in jail.
- bryanrasmussen 2y agono, in that case he should have been in the Juvenile incarceration system, unless the argument is that he should have been charged as an adult, or that Juvenile abusers should always be charged and sentenced as adults, or that Juvenile sex offenders who were not charged as Juveniles should be charged as adults. Which one? on edit: this being based on American legal system, you may come from a legal system with different rules.
- numpad0 2y agoMaybe they were the rogue AGI escapes we found along the way
- choppaface 2y agosama gets to farm out much of the lobbying to Microsoft’s already very powerful team, which spends a mere $10m but that money gets magnified by MS’s gov and DoD contracts. That’s a huge safety net for him, he gets to steal and lie (as demonstrated w/ Scarlett) and yet the MS lobbying machine will continue unphased. https://www.opensecrets.org/federal-lobbying/clients/summary?cycle=2023&id=d000000115 https://www.opensecrets.org/federal-lobbying/clients/summary...
- startupsfail 2y agoMost likely it was an unforced error, as there’ve been a lot of chaos with cofounders and the board revolt, easy to loose track of something really minor. Like some intern’s idea to train the voice on their favorite movie. And then they’ve decided that this is acceptable risk/reward and not a big liability, so worth it. This could be a well-planned opening move of a regulation gambit. But unlikely.
- mmastrac 2y agoIt makes a lot more sense that he was caught red-handed, likely hiring a similar voice actress and not realizing how strong identity protections are for celebs.
- windexh8er 2y agoI don't think this makes any sense, at all, quite honestly. Why would an "intern" be training one of ChatGPT's voices for a major release? If in fact, that was the case, then OpenAI is not aligned with the statement they just put out about having utmost focus on rigor and careful considerations, in particular this line: "We know we can't imagine every possible future scenario. So we need to have a very tight feedback loop, rigorous testing, careful consideration at every step, world-class security, and harmony of safety and capabilities." [0] [0] https://x.com/gdb/status/1791869138132218351 https://x.com/gdb/status/1791869138132218351
- Always42 2y agoAt first I thought there may be a /s coming...
- Cheer2171 2y ago> easy to loose track of something really minor. Like some intern’s idea Yes, because we all know the high profile launch for a major new product is entirely run by the interns. Stop being an apologist.
- mbreese 2y agoThis is an unforced error, but it isn’t minor. It’s quite large and public. The general public doesn’t understand the details and nuances of training an LLM, the various data sources required, and how to get them. But the public does understand stealing someone’s voice. If you want to keep the public on your side, it’s best to not train a voice with a celebrity who hasn’t agreed to it.
- vasilipupkin 2y agoif this account is true, Sam Altman is a deeply unethical human being. Given that he doesn't bring any technical know how to building of AGI, I just don't see the reason to have such a person in charge here. The new board should act.
- ornornor 2y agoHe has “The Vision”… It’s the modern entrepreneurship trope that lowly engineers won’t achieve anything if they weren’t rallied by a demi-god who has “The Vision” and makes it all happen.
- azinman2 2y agoProbably not wrong. Lots and lots of examples of that being true.
- safety1st 2y agoThere is something to it. Someone has to identify the intersection between what the engineering can do and what the market actually wants, then articulate that to a broad enough audience. Engineers constantly undervalue this very fuzzy and very human centric part of the work. I don't think the issue is that Vision doesn't matter. I think the issue is Sam doesn't have it. Like Gates and Jobs had clear, well defined visions for how the PC was going to change the world, then rallied engineering talent around them and turned those into reality, that's how their billions and those lasting empires were born. Maybe someone like Elon Musk is a contemporary example. Just don't see anything like that from SamA, we see him in the media, talking a lot about AI, rubbing shoulders with power brokers, being cutthroat, but where's the vision of a better future? And if he comes up with one does he really understand the engineering well enough to ground it in reality?
- azinman2 2y agoI don’t know enough about him or his vision. It doesn’t seem he’s as clear as say Jobs in the past. But I do look at all the amazing things openai has done in a short period of time, and that the employees overwhelmingly backed him with the whole board chaos issue. He also has fundraised a lot money for the company. It appears he’s doing more right than wrong, and openai pulled everyone else’s pants down.
- ocodo 2y agoAltman has proven time and again that he is little more than a huckster wrt technology, and in business he is a stone cold shark. Conman plain and simple.
- wraptile 2y agoNot going to lie, he had me. He appeared very genuine and fair in almost all media he appeared like podcasts but many of his actions are just so hard to justify.
- JohnFen 2y agoThis is why it's a mistake to go by "vibes" of a person when they're speaking to an audience. Pay attention to what they do, not what they say.
- svachalek 2y agoHe has a certain charm and seeming sincerity when he talks. But the more I see of him, the more disturbing I find him -- he combines the Mark Zuckerberg stare with the Elizabeth Holmes vocal fry.
- jesterson 2y agoso all psychopaths do, aren't they?
- johnnyanmac 2y agoCEO's have been studied to have a disproportionately higher rate of psychopathy. So there's a little correlation. You don't get to the top of a company in this kind of society without having some inherent charm (assuming you aren't simply inheriting billions from a previous generation).
- jesterson 2y agoAll power position attract psychopaths, so naturally we find more when we look at those.
- beefnugs 2y agothe whole technology is based on fucking over artists, who didn't expect this exact thing?
- surfingdino 2y agoIt's not just the artists, anything you do in the digital realm and anything that can be digitised is fair game. In the UK NHS GP practices refuse to register you to see a doctor even when it's urgent and tell you to use a third-party app to book an appointment. You have use your phone to take photos of the affected area and provide a personal info. I fully expect that data to be fed into some AI and sold without me knowing and without a process for removal of data should the company go bust. It is preying on the vulnerable when they need help.
- KineticLensman 2y agoLast time I booked a blood test it was via the official NHS app , not a third party.
- surfingdino 2y agohttps://www.patientaccess.com/ https://www.patientaccess.com/
- 4ndrewl 2y agoImportant to note the "The NHS" is not a single entity and the GP practice is likely a private entity owned in partnership by the doctors. There are a number of reasons why individual practices can refuse to register. Take your point about LLMs though.
- surfingdino 2y agoI went to see my GP and the lady at the reception told me they no longer book visits at the reception and I had to use the app. Here's the privacy policy https://support.patientaccess.com/privacy-policy https://support.patientaccess.com/privacy-policy They reserve the right to pass your data to third party contractors and to use it for marketing purposes. There is the obligatory clause on regarding the right to be forgotten, but the AI companies claim it is impossible to implement.
- choppaface 2y agoAltman doesn’t want to be part of regulation. sama wants to be the next tk. he wants to be above regulation, and he wants to spend Microsoft’s money getting there. E.g. flying Congress to Lake Cuomo for an off-the-record “discussion” https://freebeacon.com/politics/how-the-aspen-institute-helps-deep-pocketed-donors-influence-congress/ https://freebeacon.com/politics/how-the-aspen-institute-help...
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- trustno2 2y agoAltman wants to be a part of AI regulation in the same way Bankman Fried wanted to be a part of cryptocurrency regulation.
- gds44 2y agoWhats really interesting about our timeline is when you look at the history of market capture in Big Oil, Telco, Pharma, Real Estate, Banks, Tobacco etc all the lobbying, bribing, competition killing used to be done behind the scenes within elite circles. The public hardly heard from or saw the mgmt of these firm in media until shit hit the fan. Today it feels like managment is in the media every 3 hours trying to capture attention of prospective customers, investors, employees etc or they loose out to whoever is out there capturing more attention. So false and condradictory signalling is easy to see. Hopefully out of all this chaos we get a better class of leaders not a better class of panderers.
- detourdog 2y agoThis happened once the US broadcasters were no longer required to treat news as a civic responsibility.
- hoseja 2y agoSo great to have twitter so the narcissistic psychopaths can't resist revealing themselves for clout.
- ToucanLoucan 2y agoI mean, to whatever extent it matters. All these outrageously rich morons still have tons of economic and social clout. They still have pages upon pages of fans foaming at the mouth for the opportunity to harass people asking basic questions. They still carry undue influence in our society and in our industry no matter how many times they are "outed." What does being outed even mean anymore? It's just free advertising from all the outlets that feel they can derive revenue off your name being in their headlines. Nothing happens to them. SBF and Holmes being the notable exceptions, but that's because they stole from rich people.
- belter 2y agoThis whole exchange from 1:04:53 to 1:10:22 takes a whole different meaning.... https://youtu.be/P_ACcQxJIsg?t=3891 https://youtu.be/P_ACcQxJIsg?t=3891
- akudha 2y agoWhat is so special about her voice? They could’ve found a college student with a sweet voice and offered to pay her tuition in exchange for using her voice, no? Or a voice actor? Why be cartoonishly stupid and cartoonishly arsehole and steal a celebrity’s voice? Did he think Scarlett won’t find out? Or object? I don’t understand these rich people. Is it their hobby to be a dick to as many people as they can, for no reason other than their amusement? Just plain weirdos
- meat_machine 2y agoScarlett voiced Samantha, an AI in the movie "Her" Considering the movie's 11 years old, it's surprisingly on-point with depictions of AI/human interactions, relations, and societal acceptance. It does get a bit speculative and imaginative at the end though... But I imagine that movie did/does spark the imagination of many people, and I guess Sam just couldn't let it go.
- themadturk 2y agoAlso, I understand that sama considers "Her" his favorite movie. Perhaps, for him, it just had to be ScarJo's voice.
- mike_hearn 2y agoIt's not just that. Originally the AI voice in Her was played by someone else, but Spike Jonze felt strongly that the movie wasn't working and recast the part to Johansson. The movie immediately worked much better and became a sleeper hit. Johansson just has a much better fitting voice and higher skill in voice acting for this kind of role, to the extent that it maybe was a make/break choice for the movie. It isn't a surprise that after having created the exact tech from the movie, OpenAI wanted it to have the same success that Jonze had with his character. It's funny that just seven days ago I was speculating that they deliberately picked someone whose voice is very close to Scarlett's and was told right here on HN, by someone who works in AI, that the Sky voice doesn't sound anything like Scarlett and it is just a generic female voice: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40343950#40345807 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40343950#40345807 Apparently .... not.
- xinayder 2y ago> The thing about the situation is that Altman is willing to lie and steal a celebrity's voice for use in ChatGPT. What he did, the timeline, everything - is sleazy if, in fact, that's the story. Correcting, the thing about this whole situation with OpenAI is they are willing to steal everything for use in ChatGPT. They trained their model with copyrighted data and for some reason they won't delete the millions of protected data they used to train the AI model.
- JohnFen 2y agoUsing other people data for training without their permission is the "original sin" of LLMs[1]. That will, at best, be a shadow over the entire field for an extremely long time. [1] Just to head off people saying that such a use is not a copyright violation -- I'm not saying it is. I'm just saying that it's extremely sketchy and, in my view, ethically unsupportable.
- chx 2y agoAltman is a known conman. Surely you are aware of Yishan Wong describing how Sam Altman and the Reddit founders conned Conde Nast https://reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/3cs78i/whats_the_best_long_con_you_ever_pulled/cszjqg2/ https://reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/3cs78i/whats_the_bes...
- sirsinsalot 2y agoWow, Altman in the replies there: > Cool story bro. > Except I could never have predicted the part where you resigned on the spot :) > Other than that, child's play for me. >Thanks for the help. I mean, thanks for your service as CEO.
- latexr 2y ago> The thing about the situation is that Altman is willing to lie and steal a celebrity's voice for use in ChatGPT. He lies and steals much more than that. He’s the scammer behind Worldcoin. https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/04/06/1048981/worldcoin-cryptocurrency-biometrics-web3/ https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/04/06/1048981/worldcoi... https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/richardnieva/worldcoin-crypto-eyeball-scanning-orb-problems https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/richardnieva/worldcoin-... > Altman is, and wants to be, a large part of AI regulation. Quite the public contradiction. That’s as much of a contradiction as a thief wanting to be a large part of lock regulation. What better way to ensure your sleazy plans benefit you, and preferably only you but not the competition, than being an active participant in the inevitable regulation while it’s being written?
- ben_w 2y ago> That’s as much of a contradiction as a thief wanting to be a large part of lock regulation. Based on what I see in the videos from The Lockpocking Lawyer, that would be a massive improvement. Now, the NSA and crypto standards, that would have worked as a metaphor for your point. (I don't think it's correct, but that's an independent claim, and I am not only willing to discover that I'm wrong about their sincerity, I think everyone writing that legislation should actively assume the worst while they do so).
- latexr 2y ago> Based on what I see in the videos from The Lockpocking Lawyer The Lockpicking Lawyer is not a thief, so I don’t get your desire to incorrectly nitpick. Especially when you clearly understood the point.
- ben_w 2y agoYou noticed your confusion but still went on the aggressive, huh. Ah well. "A is demonstrating a proof of B" does not require "A is a clause in B". A being TLPL, B being that the entire lock industry is bad, so bad that anyone with experience would be a massive improvement, for example a thief.
- Intralexical 2y ago"Not consistently candid", the last board said. Like many people who try to oppose psychopaths though, they don't seem to be around much anymore.