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Recall is Microsoft's key to unlocking the future of PCs
- SirMaster 2y agoI'd rather my PC forget.
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- misnome 2y agoAs usual, Apple is ahead of the curve.
- tpreetham 2y agoHow is it?
- ffhhj 2y agoThey have this Time Machine so they say.
- misnome 2y agoIn the competitive field of “never forgetting” this week: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40372867 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40372867 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40370078 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40370078 Etc
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- jmclnx 2y ago>Microsoft’s groundbreaking new AI-powered tool can search and recall anything you’ve seen or done on your PC like a personal historian. Wow, no security impact here.
- akomtu 2y agoI like how a highly invasive on-device survelliance is marketed as a "personalized historian".
- bonton89 2y agoReal great gag from the company that hasn't had a reliable local file search since Windows XP.
- cm2187 2y agoThe word stasi was already taken.
- Y_Y 2y agoLuckily they were shut down in 2021 so the name's free again[0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stasi_Records_Agency https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stasi_Records_Agency
- psd1 2y agoCynicism entirely warranted. I do think this is a flying-taxi feature that everyone will be using in 50 years. What happens to privacy during that journey? As long as there are taboos, there will be a desire for privacy. Neuromancer - your data can be hacked, protect it with industrial ice? Culture - privacy is a result of benign AIs respecting confidentiality?
- nicklecompte 2y ago"To ensure your privacy against malicious use, we seed about 15% of the logs with fabricated entries that don't actually correspond with what you were doing on your computer." "Wait a minute... doesn't GPT-4 still have a 15% hallucination rate when it comes to document summarization?" "Moving right along..."
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- banish-m4 2y agoOrwellian panopticon surveillance beyond the walls of local, personal use becomes that much easier. And a nontrivial % of users will outright balk at this.
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- speed_spread 2y agoThey did the math. The users that will leave are the ones that have zero value from an adtech standpoint, which is now the main source of revenue for the consumer division. Culling those users might even be seen as a gain from the remarketing dept because they'll be able to sell Windows as a source of docile morons you can sell anything to.
- ChrisArchitect 2y ago[dupe] More discussion on the Copilot PCs here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40417828 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40417828
- wkat4242 2y agoIt's not really a dupe IMO. This focuses much more on the recall service.
- ChrisArchitect 2y agoSo share the link over there. That's where the discussion is on Recall and the rest of the announcement.
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- boomskats 2y agoOh dear. My stock, clean Windows install with its default config absolutely poops the bed when trying to perform basic search/retrieval tasks (I'm talking things like launching an app I started to type the name of after hitting the windows key). Whenever I've dug into what it's doing, I've found it busy doing more important things like indexing my temp directories, or node_modules, or ensuring that all of my malware service executables are eliminated. It's a nice headline feature but I really can't see it having a positive impact on the default Windows user experience.
- gs17 2y agoMine usually is pretty responsive about it, but the results searching in the start menu are strange. I start typing the name of something, what I want pops up, I type one too many characters (still a substring of the correct name) and suddenly it decides something completely different is the best match.
- Tomte 2y agoTry having a non-English Windows. Now you have to divine the English name of a Windows app or feature, because although its name is localized when you‘ve already found it, search may or may not only look for the English name. Or vice versa.
- jimnotgym 2y agoThis was very useful when I supported a German office... search up the settings you need in English!
- stefs 2y agothat's a huge pet peeve of mine too, and i can't even begin to guess what they heck they're doing. maybe an unstable sorting algorithm? "tel" -> "telegram" "tele" -> "telegram uninstaller"
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- efields 2y agoYeah this sucks. Also search and retrieval isn't that bad anymore? Spotlight gets a lot right. Google gets a lot right. Dystopian panopticon implementation aside, I just don't think computers are that bad at most things people use them for that we need a whole paradigm shift like Recall. Until this technology starts doing things like reading my email for me and letting me know only the important things and I trust it to the point I can stop checking email, this is a nightmarish stopgap using screenshots and LLMs.
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- wkat4242 2y agoSpotlight also sucks for me in the latest macOSes (e.g. from Mavericks until now). It always seems to find a bunch of nonsense files and the real ones I'm looking for appear much later. The whole metadata database that spotlight successfully built in Tiger and Leopard doesn't seem to exist anymore. In those days it worked totally fine.
- mirsadm 2y agoToo bad they've spent the last few years ruining Windows with ads and other things. I'll happily give up all these features.
- ferfumarma 2y ago> Recall won’t work with every Windows 11 computer. You’ll have to buy one of several fresh new “Copilot Plus PCs” powered by Qualcomm’s new Snapdragon X Elite chips, which have the neural processing unit (NPU) required for Recall to work. Well... unlocking the future of a small subset of PCs, at least.
- cloudking 2y agoSounds a lot like https://rewind.ai https://rewind.ai
- sheepscreek 2y agoI am disappointed about this one. The company decided to put its weight behind a new product that replaces it called “Limitless”. Though useful, it focuses exclusively on meetings. I had fully bought into the promise of having a second brain/external memory. Reclaim wasn’t perfect but it was a decent “beta” quality product with a great future. So while I dislike Windows and Microsoft’s poor track record with privacy, I am still going to root for Recall! Edit: Reading that last sentence again made me question if I can trust MS with basically a recording of everything I am doing on the PC. Probably not.
- wingerlang 2y agoIf you still want something to look back at your usage, I am making https://screenmemory.app https://screenmemory.app which is sort of like Rewind, except without AI (only text search) and a nicer timeline.
- threecheese 2y agoAs a customer (who isn’t interested in their new product), I can’t help wondering if they pivoted due to fore-knowledge of this Windows feature? If the capability becomes a commodity/expected OS feature, maybe Apple has/is expected to have similar plans and will eat their lunch.
- doublerabbit 2y agoLet me guess, stored in the cloud and will be used against you in court?
- Handy-Man 2y agolocal
- doublerabbit 2y agoFor now.
- stcredzero 2y ago> > local > For now. Like everyone's music and movie collections.
- gradientsrneat 2y agoContext of the iTunes hard drive scandal, for those who don't get the reference: https://web.archive.org/web/20160506100227/https://blog.vellumatlanta.com/2016/05/04/apple-stole-my-music-no-seriously/ https://web.archive.org/web/20160506100227/https://blog.vell...
- JohnFen 2y ago> Recall won’t work with every Windows 11 computer. You’ll have to buy one of several fresh new “Copilot Plus PCs” powered by Qualcomm’s new Snapdragon X Elite chips Oh, thank goodness. That makes it much easier to avoid this sort of thing.
- rasengan0 2y agoErr... 20 years ago many used this... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Desktop https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Desktop
- wkat4242 2y agoInteresting. I have been thinking of building something just like this. Basically by using a web proxy that logs all my traffic (after all, 95% of things happen on the web these days). There's actually some tools for this purpose already. However, this would be such a treasure trove for bad people that I'd have to secure it so damn well that I didn't really think about it. Of course I'd have to break open TLS using a MITM certificate which is a whole can of worms. However if I would do this it is something I'd want FULL control over. I definitely don't want to give it all up to Microsoft and trust their blue eyes. Nope. Really nope. Their track record of things like Edge is so bad, first introducing a nice tool and as soon as it gets a tiny bit of market presence they start milking it already (think things like the shopping bar, or the buy-now-pay-later scams in edge).
- psd1 2y agoI hate being the product for ad-targeting for visceral reasons, but it's benign compared to my days falling into the hands of someone who wishes me harm. There are other companies that I work harder to keep my metrics away from than from MS. MS at least makes money from things other than ads. But I don't trust Microsoft to secure that data. If Google did this product, I would have lower expectation of my screen recordings ending up on the dark web.
- harrisoned 2y agoI'm curious about the ToS. As far as i know, their version of ChatGPT on Copilot don't like +18/sexual stuff, so how would the Copilot+ react to a lot of it? Would you get banned? would it work? Would it simple ignore all the stuff when asked for it?
- ivanvanderbyl 2y agoThis will keep their enterprise customers happy with the most detailed bossware you can imagine. Replay everything your employees did in a day.
- psd1 2y agoHaven't we all been assuming for years already that our work machines have keylogger-level monitoring?
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- brevitea 2y agoAnd I will not be using Microsoft. Where is SEC? This is nuts.
- pshirshov 2y agoI hope it will be possible to opt-out of this privacy nightmare. I'm using Windows only occasionally but still feel very uncomfortable reading this.
- LinAGKar 2y ago>Recall won’t take snapshots of InPrivate web browsing sessions in Microsoft Edge and DRM-protected content, either, says Microsoft Of course, we can't violate the rights of those poor poor content providers. The rights of the users though, who gives a damn? I also noticed they're singling out Edge. Does that mean they won't let you have privacy in competing browsers?
- water-data-dude 2y agoOther browsers are basically malware, so of course Microsoft needs to keep an eye on them - for your safety /s
- htrp 2y agobasically rewind ai
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