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yep. From Baldur Bjarnason: > For months, we’ve been hearing leaks about Apple’s talks with the EU about the Digital Market Act. Those talks were not negotiati

yep. From Baldur Bjarnason: > For months, we’ve been hearing leaks about Apple’s talks with the EU about the Digital Market Act. Those talks were not negotiations even though Apple seems to have thought they were. https://www.baldurbjarnason.com/2024/facing-reality-in-the-eu-and-tech/ https://www.baldurbjarnason.com/2024/facing-reality-in-the-e... The EU cannot allow a large business to mess around like this.

frizlab 2y ago
And yet they did and still allow google analytics to exist while it not being GDPR compliant.
- groestl 2y ago
  Well, Google Analytics actually forbids it's users to send PII (sure, you can't avoid communicating the IP address as part of the request).
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lispm 2y ago
> The purpose of is the EU single market That's also a misconception. The EU single market is an important project, but there is a constant failure to understand the actual reason why the EU exists or also a purposeful misinterpretation. Countries joining the EU are requested not to join because of the single market, but because they want to join the political project of a more peaceful and an improving Europe. At its core the EU is a project to bring Europe together, to cooperate instead of being in wars (... WW1, WW2, Cold War, ...). The EU is even more a political project as it is an economic project. But there are many other projects. The market is not the EU, it's a large and important project, the EU can't be thought without it. But there is more. The main motive behind all that is the will to work together. Even the "single market" is at its core a political project. We have seen it with Brexit. The UK never bought into the "political project". UK politicians also mislead the public about that. The EU is as much about social standards, political standards, environment, competition, building up the countries, joint research, joint infrastructure, a common law, common currency, being competitive in a larger world, ... and so on. During Brexit it was promised by some UK politicians for a short time that the UK would leave the EU, but not the single market. Misleading the public that this was a topic of economics, while the EU really is a political integration project, not just a project to build a single market. France and Germany at war for many centuries, now have a common integration project (in a larger EU), free movement, no physical border, an EU passport, a single currency, joint projects, ... these are the things which moved us forward.
- llm_trw 2y ago
  The EU started as the European Coal and Steel Community which explains most of the beurocracy its saddled with.
  - rcbdev 2y ago
    How do coal and steel production imply a high bureaucratic load?
  - martimarkov 2y ago
    It’s like saying the US started as a colony and that explains the lack of its progressive democracy and having a static constitution. Just because something started as X doesn’t mean that evolution didn’t happen. The reasons for the bureaucracy are a lot and different but come down to power sharing between the stakeholders.
    - llm_trw 2y ago
      There were two revolutions in the US that changed its politic course significantly. The EU has always been a beurocracy first.
      - binkethy 2y ago
        Bureaucracy. The EU is the European Union. 500 million humans. This legislation is a win for the common person. Trying to portray as foisted upon the public from on high = a propaganda twist too far.
        llm_trw 2y ago
        So why not hold a referendum on it?
        master-lincoln 2y ago
        Because most people have little knowledge about the EU and are easily influenced. Direct democracy doesn't work well because of that if you ask me

frizlab 2y ago

And yet they did and still allow google analytics to exist while it not being GDPR compliant.

groestl 2y ago
Well, Google Analytics actually forbids it's users to send PII (sure, you can't avoid communicating the IP address as part of the request).
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lispm 2y ago

> The purpose of is the EU single market That's also a misconception. The EU single market is an important project, but there is a constant failure to understand the actual reason why the EU exists or also a purposeful misinterpretation. Countries joining the EU are requested not to join because of the single market, but because they want to join the political project of a more peaceful and an improving Europe. At its core the EU is a project to bring Europe together, to cooperate instead of being in wars (... WW1, WW2, Cold War, ...). The EU is even more a political project as it is an economic project. But there are many other projects. The market is not the EU, it's a large and important project, the EU can't be thought without it. But there is more. The main motive behind all that is the will to work together. Even the "single market" is at its core a political project. We have seen it with Brexit. The UK never bought into the "political project". UK politicians also mislead the public about that. The EU is as much about social standards, political standards, environment, competition, building up the countries, joint research, joint infrastructure, a common law, common currency, being competitive in a larger world, ... and so on. During Brexit it was promised by some UK politicians for a short time that the UK would leave the EU, but not the single market. Misleading the public that this was a topic of economics, while the EU really is a political integration project, not just a project to build a single market. France and Germany at war for many centuries, now have a common integration project (in a larger EU), free movement, no physical border, an EU passport, a single currency, joint projects, ... these are the things which moved us forward.

llm_trw 2y ago
The EU started as the European Coal and Steel Community which explains most of the beurocracy its saddled with.
- rcbdev 2y ago
  How do coal and steel production imply a high bureaucratic load?
- martimarkov 2y ago
  It’s like saying the US started as a colony and that explains the lack of its progressive democracy and having a static constitution. Just because something started as X doesn’t mean that evolution didn’t happen. The reasons for the bureaucracy are a lot and different but come down to power sharing between the stakeholders.
  - llm_trw 2y ago
    There were two revolutions in the US that changed its politic course significantly. The EU has always been a beurocracy first.
    - binkethy 2y ago
      Bureaucracy. The EU is the European Union. 500 million humans. This legislation is a win for the common person. Trying to portray as foisted upon the public from on high = a propaganda twist too far.
      - llm_trw 2y ago
        So why not hold a referendum on it?
        master-lincoln 2y ago
        Because most people have little knowledge about the EU and are easily influenced. Direct democracy doesn't work well because of that if you ask me