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Sadly the headline implies that she didn’t get into rocket science because she’s a girl, but then the article goes on to make it clear that the main thing that

Sadly the headline implies that she didn’t get into rocket science because she’s a girl, but then the article goes on to make it clear that the main thing that kept her from rocket science was her father being Mormon && her being a girl. While all the women quoted within would absolutely have had systemic gradients acting against their access to STEM careers outside the LDS church, within it those gradients are nearly vertical, and are so by founder effect design and persistent and careful maintenance.

telesilla 2y ago
I agree, the headline should mention the Mormon factor.
- vermooten 2y ago
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  - wiseowise 2y ago
    Correcting any error that woman makes is mansplaining nowadays?
    - rijoja 2y ago
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  - pquki4 2y ago
    Rather than using provocative and apparently biased word "mansplain", you'd better actually explain yourself, like, using well-formed sentences. This is HN not Twitter/X
- Joeboy 2y ago
  The article appears on "A feminist space for women and gender minorities across the Mormon spectrum". In which context, mentioning the Mormon factor would seem redundant. In the context of HN, it would be a more useful piece of information, but IIUC the policy is to favour the original headline.
  - yawpitch 2y ago
    Hence why that context needs to be added here, in the comments below the original headline. Within the reading context of that site any mention of the elephant in the room is, obviously, redundant, but this is a very different room with very different elephants.
- Aeolun 2y ago
  I think that was implied? The only reason stuff like this happens is because the surroundings make it so.
gghhjjy 2y ago
So the takeaway is that Mormon teachings caused her to forego what might have been an extremely successful career by staying home full time with her children. Having children has a huge impact on many people’s lives. Are Mormon women far more likely than the general population to stop working after children? My hunch is that they’re probably slightly more likely to stop working, without a huge statistical disparity. But we need this statistic to have a productive conversation on the subject instead of just stereotyping an entire ethnoreligious minority group based on one personal anecdote.
- yawpitch 2y ago
  Ahh, the “we need more data before we can discuss the self-evident” feint. That article isn’t merely one personal anecdote, it includes numerous personal anecdotes from other women within the same religious group — not ethnoreligious, Mormonism is not an ethnicity — as well as direct quotes from that religion’s “prophet” that expressly directs his female followers to forgo careers in favor of baby-making. When the members of the religion, the leaders of that religion, and the doctrine of that religion all agree on the goal being to override your hunch and create an effect, your hunch can be discarded until you gather data that shows no such effect. We can certainly discuss the effect the religion publicly desires and advocates for (and has done since its founding) without stereotyping anyone.

telesilla 2y ago

I agree, the headline should mention the Mormon factor.

vermooten 2y ago
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- wiseowise 2y ago
  Correcting any error that woman makes is mansplaining nowadays?
  - rijoja 2y ago
    [flagged]
- pquki4 2y ago
  Rather than using provocative and apparently biased word "mansplain", you'd better actually explain yourself, like, using well-formed sentences. This is HN not Twitter/X
Joeboy 2y ago
The article appears on "A feminist space for women and gender minorities across the Mormon spectrum". In which context, mentioning the Mormon factor would seem redundant. In the context of HN, it would be a more useful piece of information, but IIUC the policy is to favour the original headline.
- yawpitch 2y ago
  Hence why that context needs to be added here, in the comments below the original headline. Within the reading context of that site any mention of the elephant in the room is, obviously, redundant, but this is a very different room with very different elephants.
Aeolun 2y ago
I think that was implied? The only reason stuff like this happens is because the surroundings make it so.

gghhjjy 2y ago

So the takeaway is that Mormon teachings caused her to forego what might have been an extremely successful career by staying home full time with her children. Having children has a huge impact on many people’s lives. Are Mormon women far more likely than the general population to stop working after children? My hunch is that they’re probably slightly more likely to stop working, without a huge statistical disparity. But we need this statistic to have a productive conversation on the subject instead of just stereotyping an entire ethnoreligious minority group based on one personal anecdote.

yawpitch 2y ago
Ahh, the “we need more data before we can discuss the self-evident” feint. That article isn’t merely one personal anecdote, it includes numerous personal anecdotes from other women within the same religious group — not ethnoreligious, Mormonism is not an ethnicity — as well as direct quotes from that religion’s “prophet” that expressly directs his female followers to forgo careers in favor of baby-making. When the members of the religion, the leaders of that religion, and the doctrine of that religion all agree on the goal being to override your hunch and create an effect, your hunch can be discarded until you gather data that shows no such effect. We can certainly discuss the effect the religion publicly desires and advocates for (and has done since its founding) without stereotyping anyone.