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StackOverflow seems to have been designed to maximally obnoxious in a lot of ways, so it's right on brand.

Wowfunhappy 2y ago
I actually think StackExchange is quite well designed to optimize for good questions and answers. Such as TFA! But the way they delete chatrooms is off brand. If you want to incentivize people to chat in chat instead of in comments, make sure chat is actually usable. That means not deleting chatrooms after a few days!
- fpgaminer 2y ago
  > I actually think StackExchange is quite well designed to optimize for good questions and answers. There's questions and answers on SE? I thought it was just pop-ups and sidebars? (I'm being mildly sarcastic, but I think this screenshot speaks for itself on the state of SE: https://i.imgur.com/S8slGeT.png https://i.imgur.com/S8slGeT.png)
  - beepbooptheory 2y ago
    Honestly as far it goes that looks pretty good to me.
- Repulsion9513 2y ago
  Except for that all the good answers are showing their age and there's no realistic mechanism for them to be replaced with newer answers.
  - nmstoker 2y ago
    Yes, this is a big weakness. Seems tied in large part to not tackling versions as well as they could have done.
  - 0cf8612b2e1e 2y ago
    You mean you do not still want to read jquery answers in 2024?
- braiamp 2y ago
  Chatrooms are freezed, not deleted, if there's enough content. The only reason why they are deleted is when there are less than 10 messages or 3 participants (don't quote me on that). Actual rules: > Rooms will exist indefinitely, so long as there is at least one person actively talking in the room. A room is considered worth retaining if it has more than 15 messages by at least 2 users.
  - Wowfunhappy 2y ago
    So did this room get lost in a middleground where there were too many messages for a comment section but too few to retain the chatroom? That's obviously not a good outcome. Either the threshold for moving comments to chat needs to be moved up, or the threshold for deleting a chatroom needs to be moved down. Edit: Wait, none of this makes sense! We can tell from the Internet Archive that there were at least 15 comments. So where is the room?
    - braiamp 2y ago
      The room is still there. There may be a need to log in however https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/64083/discussion-on-answer-by-aleksi-torhamo-dwarf-fortress-starting-during-apt-get-up https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/64083/discussion-on-ans...
      - Wowfunhappy 2y ago
        I'm logged in, and I have 191 reputation on Ask Ubuntu, and that link brings me to a "Page Not Found".
        braiamp 2y ago
        You need to be logged in Stack Overflow.
  - deleted 2y ago
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- paulddraper 2y ago
  Same vibes as a the complaints box, emptying into the trash can.

I actually think StackExchange is quite well designed to optimize for good questions and answers. Such as TFA! But the way they delete chatrooms is off brand. If you want to incentivize people to chat in chat instead of in comments, make sure chat is actually usable. That means not deleting chatrooms after a few days!

fpgaminer 2y ago
> I actually think StackExchange is quite well designed to optimize for good questions and answers. There's questions and answers on SE? I thought it was just pop-ups and sidebars? (I'm being mildly sarcastic, but I think this screenshot speaks for itself on the state of SE: https://i.imgur.com/S8slGeT.png https://i.imgur.com/S8slGeT.png)
- beepbooptheory 2y ago
  Honestly as far it goes that looks pretty good to me.
Repulsion9513 2y ago
Except for that all the good answers are showing their age and there's no realistic mechanism for them to be replaced with newer answers.
- nmstoker 2y ago
  Yes, this is a big weakness. Seems tied in large part to not tackling versions as well as they could have done.
- 0cf8612b2e1e 2y ago
  You mean you do not still want to read jquery answers in 2024?
braiamp 2y ago
Chatrooms are freezed, not deleted, if there's enough content. The only reason why they are deleted is when there are less than 10 messages or 3 participants (don't quote me on that). Actual rules: > Rooms will exist indefinitely, so long as there is at least one person actively talking in the room. A room is considered worth retaining if it has more than 15 messages by at least 2 users.
- Wowfunhappy 2y ago
  So did this room get lost in a middleground where there were too many messages for a comment section but too few to retain the chatroom? That's obviously not a good outcome. Either the threshold for moving comments to chat needs to be moved up, or the threshold for deleting a chatroom needs to be moved down. Edit: Wait, none of this makes sense! We can tell from the Internet Archive that there were at least 15 comments. So where is the room?
  - braiamp 2y ago
    The room is still there. There may be a need to log in however https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/64083/discussion-on-answer-by-aleksi-torhamo-dwarf-fortress-starting-during-apt-get-up https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/64083/discussion-on-ans...
    - Wowfunhappy 2y ago
      I'm logged in, and I have 191 reputation on Ask Ubuntu, and that link brings me to a "Page Not Found".
      - braiamp 2y ago
        You need to be logged in Stack Overflow.
- deleted 2y ago
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paulddraper 2y ago
Same vibes as a the complaints box, emptying into the trash can.