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Dwarf Fortress starting during apt-get upgrade

116 points by WayToDoor 2y ago

Wowfunhappy 2y ago
> Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat. I honestly don't mind this, it makes sense. Comments aren't for extended discussion, so move them to the place that is, e.g. chat. But, it's really it's quite obnoxious when they subsequently delete the chatroom! Internet Archive rescued the top comments[1], but you can't click the button to see all of them. Even so, there is some useful context here. User `dobey` points out: > Setting $PATH for the non-root user would not affect the environment for root where the packages are being installed. It is more likely the binary was copied to a directory which is already in root's $PATH instead. OP confirms this: > Just one little side note - I did not edit $PATH, I just symlinked dwarf fortress to /usr/local/bin. Otherwise this seems correct. Well done and thanks much! An open question for me is whether this was user error on the OP's part, or a fundamental flaw in the design of UNIX and/or apt. --- 1: https://web.archive.org/web/20170818234302/https://askubuntu.com/questions/938606/dwarf-fortress-starting-during-apt-get-upgrade https://web.archive.org/web/20170818234302/https://askubuntu...
- crooked-v 2y ago
  StackOverflow seems to have been designed to maximally obnoxious in a lot of ways, so it's right on brand.
  - Wowfunhappy 2y ago
    I actually think StackExchange is quite well designed to optimize for good questions and answers. Such as TFA! But the way they delete chatrooms is off brand. If you want to incentivize people to chat in chat instead of in comments, make sure chat is actually usable. That means not deleting chatrooms after a few days!
    - fpgaminer 2y ago
      > I actually think StackExchange is quite well designed to optimize for good questions and answers. There's questions and answers on SE? I thought it was just pop-ups and sidebars? (I'm being mildly sarcastic, but I think this screenshot speaks for itself on the state of SE: https://i.imgur.com/S8slGeT.png https://i.imgur.com/S8slGeT.png)
      - beepbooptheory 2y ago
        Honestly as far it goes that looks pretty good to me.
    - Repulsion9513 2y ago
      Except for that all the good answers are showing their age and there's no realistic mechanism for them to be replaced with newer answers.
      - nmstoker 2y ago
        Yes, this is a big weakness. Seems tied in large part to not tackling versions as well as they could have done.
      - 0cf8612b2e1e 2y ago
        You mean you do not still want to read jquery answers in 2024?
    - braiamp 2y ago
      Chatrooms are freezed, not deleted, if there's enough content. The only reason why they are deleted is when there are less than 10 messages or 3 participants (don't quote me on that). Actual rules: > Rooms will exist indefinitely, so long as there is at least one person actively talking in the room. A room is considered worth retaining if it has more than 15 messages by at least 2 users.
      - Wowfunhappy 2y ago
- braiamp 2y ago
  The room still exists and has all the messages https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/64083/discussion-on-answer-by-aleksi-torhamo-dwarf-fortress-starting-during-apt-get-up https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/64083/discussion-on-ans...
  - Wowfunhappy 2y ago
    Your link brings me to a "page not found". Is it gated by reputation? If so, could you please post the full comments somewhere?
    - Wevah 2y ago
      That or being logged in. It was “not found” for me, too, until I logged in. (I don’t have any rep on the Ubuntu site, aside from the 100 for being on other SE sites).
      - Wowfunhappy 2y ago
        I am logged in and have 191 reputation on Ask Ubuntu.
  - deleted 2y ago
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  - willcipriano 2y ago
    Had no idea that the cast of NG were wookies.
- rrauenza 2y ago
  ….why would /usr/local/bin be before /usr/bin in root’s PATH? That seems broken… unless df isn’t installed at all, but I find that hard to believe.
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116 points by WayToDoor 2y ago

> Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat. I honestly don't mind this, it makes sense. Comments aren't for extended discussion, so move them to the place that is, e.g. chat. But, it's really it's quite obnoxious when they subsequently delete the chatroom! Internet Archive rescued the top comments[1], but you can't click the button to see all of them. Even so, there is some useful context here. User `dobey` points out: > Setting $PATH for the non-root user would not affect the environment for root where the packages are being installed. It is more likely the binary was copied to a directory which is already in root's $PATH instead. OP confirms this: > Just one little side note - I did not edit $PATH, I just symlinked dwarf fortress to /usr/local/bin. Otherwise this seems correct. Well done and thanks much! An open question for me is whether this was user error on the OP's part, or a fundamental flaw in the design of UNIX and/or apt. --- 1: https://web.archive.org/web/20170818234302/https://askubuntu.com/questions/938606/dwarf-fortress-starting-during-apt-get-upgrade https://web.archive.org/web/20170818234302/https://askubuntu...

crooked-v 2y ago
StackOverflow seems to have been designed to maximally obnoxious in a lot of ways, so it's right on brand.
- Wowfunhappy 2y ago
  I actually think StackExchange is quite well designed to optimize for good questions and answers. Such as TFA! But the way they delete chatrooms is off brand. If you want to incentivize people to chat in chat instead of in comments, make sure chat is actually usable. That means not deleting chatrooms after a few days!
  - fpgaminer 2y ago
    > I actually think StackExchange is quite well designed to optimize for good questions and answers. There's questions and answers on SE? I thought it was just pop-ups and sidebars? (I'm being mildly sarcastic, but I think this screenshot speaks for itself on the state of SE: https://i.imgur.com/S8slGeT.png https://i.imgur.com/S8slGeT.png)
    - beepbooptheory 2y ago
      Honestly as far it goes that looks pretty good to me.
  - Repulsion9513 2y ago
    Except for that all the good answers are showing their age and there's no realistic mechanism for them to be replaced with newer answers.
    - nmstoker 2y ago
      Yes, this is a big weakness. Seems tied in large part to not tackling versions as well as they could have done.
    - 0cf8612b2e1e 2y ago
      You mean you do not still want to read jquery answers in 2024?
  - braiamp 2y ago
    Chatrooms are freezed, not deleted, if there's enough content. The only reason why they are deleted is when there are less than 10 messages or 3 participants (don't quote me on that). Actual rules: > Rooms will exist indefinitely, so long as there is at least one person actively talking in the room. A room is considered worth retaining if it has more than 15 messages by at least 2 users.
    - Wowfunhappy 2y ago
braiamp 2y ago
The room still exists and has all the messages https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/64083/discussion-on-answer-by-aleksi-torhamo-dwarf-fortress-starting-during-apt-get-up https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/64083/discussion-on-ans...
- Wowfunhappy 2y ago
  Your link brings me to a "page not found". Is it gated by reputation? If so, could you please post the full comments somewhere?
  - Wevah 2y ago
    That or being logged in. It was “not found” for me, too, until I logged in. (I don’t have any rep on the Ubuntu site, aside from the 100 for being on other SE sites).
    - Wowfunhappy 2y ago
      I am logged in and have 191 reputation on Ask Ubuntu.
- deleted 2y ago
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- willcipriano 2y ago
  Had no idea that the cast of NG were wookies.
rrauenza 2y ago
….why would /usr/local/bin be before /usr/bin in root’s PATH? That seems broken… unless df isn’t installed at all, but I find that hard to believe.

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