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I can believe it. Despite scientists and politicians saying the climate situation is dire, there is no panic.

by IcyWindows 2y ago

lupire 2y ago
Dire is not immediate.
lisper 2y ago
Wait until we have our first planet-wide crop failure.
- guenthert 2y ago
  Unlikely to happen any time soon as the planet will continue to have multiple climate zones (just different ones than now). And it won't take a planet-wide crop failure, just a wide-spread one or other major disruption. Arguably we (or rather the poorer nations in Africa) came close, when Ukraine found it difficult to ship their harvest.
  - lisper 2y ago
    > the planet will continue to have multiple climate zones Yes, but large-scale crop production is not so easy to move. > it won't take a planet-wide crop failure Yes, by "planet-wide crop failure" I didn't mean that there won't be a harvest anywhere, just that production will drop low enough that there is no more surplus. I'm pretty sure that will be enough to destabilize our geopolitics, and it will be all downhill from there for quite a while.
scottLobster 2y ago
I panicked for a few months, as a naive college student in my early 20s, then I realized there was no stopping it and decided to position my family as best as possible to live through it. But if you have nothing better to do than panic, then by all means do so. At some point I might be able to market you a product based on that panic, which will be a few more dollars toward building my family's ark.
- astrange 2y ago
  > then I realized there was no stopping it This is not what the IPCC reports say and so there is no reason to believe it. (For one thing there is no "it" to stop because it's a continuous value you can reduce, and for another we are reducing it. And no, we're not just exporting it to China.)
  - toast0 2y ago
    As an individual, there's not much one can do to spur collective action on climate change. Taking action to mitigate the personal impact is reasonable though; things like picking housing that's unlikely to flood during extreme weather.
    - astrange 2y ago
      I think this is the opposite of correct. The most impact we can have is by improving transportation patterns, which come from improving local land use, which in the US are controlled by city council meetings that only retired busybodies show up to. So show up to them and join a YIMBY chapter, or become a traffic engineer or something. On the other hand, you have no actual personal impact on it unless you own a private plane, so there is nothing to mitigate. Recycling isn't going to help. Or you could try emitting silicon dioxide into the atmosphere and hope nobody stops you. We're probably just going to solve it that way anyway.
      - toast0 2y ago
        Not mitigating climate change personally. Mitigating the effects of climate change personally. So, choosing not to live in a house that's right on a low bank shore... Because it's likely to flood and disrupt your life. Be sure to have defensable space around your home, because wildfires are happening in more places. Consider access to drinking water and how to shelter your home from heat.
        astrange 2y ago

I can believe it. Despite scientists and politicians saying the climate situation is dire, there is no panic.

lupire 2y ago

Dire is not immediate.

lisper 2y ago

Wait until we have our first planet-wide crop failure.

guenthert 2y ago
Unlikely to happen any time soon as the planet will continue to have multiple climate zones (just different ones than now). And it won't take a planet-wide crop failure, just a wide-spread one or other major disruption. Arguably we (or rather the poorer nations in Africa) came close, when Ukraine found it difficult to ship their harvest.
- lisper 2y ago
  > the planet will continue to have multiple climate zones Yes, but large-scale crop production is not so easy to move. > it won't take a planet-wide crop failure Yes, by "planet-wide crop failure" I didn't mean that there won't be a harvest anywhere, just that production will drop low enough that there is no more surplus. I'm pretty sure that will be enough to destabilize our geopolitics, and it will be all downhill from there for quite a while.

scottLobster 2y ago

I panicked for a few months, as a naive college student in my early 20s, then I realized there was no stopping it and decided to position my family as best as possible to live through it. But if you have nothing better to do than panic, then by all means do so. At some point I might be able to market you a product based on that panic, which will be a few more dollars toward building my family's ark.

astrange 2y ago
> then I realized there was no stopping it This is not what the IPCC reports say and so there is no reason to believe it. (For one thing there is no "it" to stop because it's a continuous value you can reduce, and for another we are reducing it. And no, we're not just exporting it to China.)
- toast0 2y ago
  As an individual, there's not much one can do to spur collective action on climate change. Taking action to mitigate the personal impact is reasonable though; things like picking housing that's unlikely to flood during extreme weather.
  - astrange 2y ago
    I think this is the opposite of correct. The most impact we can have is by improving transportation patterns, which come from improving local land use, which in the US are controlled by city council meetings that only retired busybodies show up to. So show up to them and join a YIMBY chapter, or become a traffic engineer or something. On the other hand, you have no actual personal impact on it unless you own a private plane, so there is nothing to mitigate. Recycling isn't going to help. Or you could try emitting silicon dioxide into the atmosphere and hope nobody stops you. We're probably just going to solve it that way anyway.
    - toast0 2y ago
      Not mitigating climate change personally. Mitigating the effects of climate change personally. So, choosing not to live in a house that's right on a low bank shore... Because it's likely to flood and disrupt your life. Be sure to have defensable space around your home, because wildfires are happening in more places. Consider access to drinking water and how to shelter your home from heat.
      - astrange 2y ago