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There are many reasons including prevalence of fast food locations, ultraprocessed foods, food marketing, car culture, social tolerance, and sedentary lifestyle

There are many reasons including prevalence of fast food locations, ultraprocessed foods, food marketing, car culture, social tolerance, and sedentary lifestyles. So much would have to change in America, including attitudes, to make a dent. PS: Ozempic is not for weight management, it's for blood sugar control. Wegovy is a higher dose for weight management and not covered by Medicare discriminating against all causes of obesity without nuance.

constantcrying 2y ago
>There are many reasons including prevalence of fast food locations, ultraprocessed foods, food marketing, car culture, social tolerance, and sedentary lifestyles All true for Japan though?
- banish-m4 2y ago
  Japan doesn't have carb-heavy ultraprocessed foods, social tolerance of obesity, or massive quantities.
  - constantcrying 2y ago
    >Japan doesn't have carb-heavy ultraprocessed foods Without a doubt they do. One of their most important foods is rice, I don't think there are many cultures eating more carb heavy. For the processing, maybe, what is the actual difference to the US or Europe? >social tolerance of obesit Maybe? Although hard to quantify, certainly many Americans want to loose weight. >or massive quantities Japan certainly is not suffering from any food shortages and surely you can eat however much you want there.
    - banish-m4 2y ago
      You're tilting at windmills if you think Japanese foods approach the level of caloric density and unhealthiness of burgers, burritos, french fries, Doritos, and other shit Americans eat.
      - fomine3 2y ago
        Difference of eat portions is important
      - constantcrying 2y ago
        But you are just saying that things are different because they are different. What happened in the last 70 years to make obesity a mass epidemic in the West? It clearly wasn't the mere existence of unhealthy foods, the Japanese have tons of unhealthy food as well. You can get a burger there without any issue.
        throwaway44773 2y ago
        US corporations managed to make food addicting by using science to formulate food in such a way as to trigger a massive spike in dopamine followed by a massive drop a short time later. Combining that with an individualistic culture that leaves many lonely and anxious, it’s no surprise that people depend on substances to make themselves feel better. The average american puts themselves to sleep with a 2 litre of cola, a bag of chips and a pint of ice cream while playing games on their cellphones way late. If you saw a population of people injecting heroin into their veins and getting frail, would you say you have a frail ness epidemic? No. What you have now is a food addiction epidemic. You should treat it as you treat any other addiction.
        constantcrying 2y ago
        Japan has the same foods available, by the same US corporations. Why are they seemingly immune to it? >Combining that with an individualistic culture So that is the only change since the 50s? Seems like a very weak explanation.
        throwaway44773 2y ago
        The US has already strongly reduced the use of a very addictive substance in the past by making it culturally unacceptable in the case of cigarettes. Japan has the same culture already with food, where there is strong cultural pressure to not abuse food. Perhaps it is time to bring back shame towards overeating?
xenospn 2y ago
Japan has 1000x more accessible food within walking distance than America does, plus vending machines EVERYWHERE. I think it’s mostly smaller portions and not eating sugar in huge quantities.
- banish-m4 2y ago
  America doesn't need vending machines. It has UberEats, DoorDash, and Domino's pizza to deliver ultraprocessed shit. Also, Americans don't do walking.
  - constantcrying 2y ago
    >America doesn't need vending machines. It has UberEats, DoorDash, and Domino's pizza to deliver ultraprocessed shit. Japan has those in vending machines. That can't be the deciding factor. >Also, Americans don't do walking. Walking is a very low effort activity. Good infrastructure usually means that you do little walking and a lot of standing around, this can't account for such a massive difference.
  - Karrot_Kream 2y ago
    Japan has Uber Eats and Dominos also and they're very popular. There are literal cafes in Tokyo where you can get Uber Eats delivered to and eat there.
- constantcrying 2y ago
  >I think it’s mostly smaller portions Did people 70 years ago in the West just happen to eat smaller portions? >eating sugar in huge quantities. But sugar consumption, per capital, is decreasing. And has done so for decades, when will obesity rates follow?
  - xenospn 2y ago
    Are you implying that people who eat less sugar still gain weight?
    - 2y ago

constantcrying 2y ago

>There are many reasons including prevalence of fast food locations, ultraprocessed foods, food marketing, car culture, social tolerance, and sedentary lifestyles All true for Japan though?

banish-m4 2y ago
Japan doesn't have carb-heavy ultraprocessed foods, social tolerance of obesity, or massive quantities.
- constantcrying 2y ago
  >Japan doesn't have carb-heavy ultraprocessed foods Without a doubt they do. One of their most important foods is rice, I don't think there are many cultures eating more carb heavy. For the processing, maybe, what is the actual difference to the US or Europe? >social tolerance of obesit Maybe? Although hard to quantify, certainly many Americans want to loose weight. >or massive quantities Japan certainly is not suffering from any food shortages and surely you can eat however much you want there.
  - banish-m4 2y ago
    You're tilting at windmills if you think Japanese foods approach the level of caloric density and unhealthiness of burgers, burritos, french fries, Doritos, and other shit Americans eat.
    - fomine3 2y ago
      Difference of eat portions is important
    - constantcrying 2y ago
      But you are just saying that things are different because they are different. What happened in the last 70 years to make obesity a mass epidemic in the West? It clearly wasn't the mere existence of unhealthy foods, the Japanese have tons of unhealthy food as well. You can get a burger there without any issue.
      - throwaway44773 2y ago
        US corporations managed to make food addicting by using science to formulate food in such a way as to trigger a massive spike in dopamine followed by a massive drop a short time later. Combining that with an individualistic culture that leaves many lonely and anxious, it’s no surprise that people depend on substances to make themselves feel better. The average american puts themselves to sleep with a 2 litre of cola, a bag of chips and a pint of ice cream while playing games on their cellphones way late. If you saw a population of people injecting heroin into their veins and getting frail, would you say you have a frail ness epidemic? No. What you have now is a food addiction epidemic. You should treat it as you treat any other addiction.
        constantcrying 2y ago
        Japan has the same foods available, by the same US corporations. Why are they seemingly immune to it? >Combining that with an individualistic culture So that is the only change since the 50s? Seems like a very weak explanation.
        throwaway44773 2y ago
        The US has already strongly reduced the use of a very addictive substance in the past by making it culturally unacceptable in the case of cigarettes. Japan has the same culture already with food, where there is strong cultural pressure to not abuse food. Perhaps it is time to bring back shame towards overeating?

xenospn 2y ago

Japan has 1000x more accessible food within walking distance than America does, plus vending machines EVERYWHERE. I think it’s mostly smaller portions and not eating sugar in huge quantities.

banish-m4 2y ago
America doesn't need vending machines. It has UberEats, DoorDash, and Domino's pizza to deliver ultraprocessed shit. Also, Americans don't do walking.
- constantcrying 2y ago
  >America doesn't need vending machines. It has UberEats, DoorDash, and Domino's pizza to deliver ultraprocessed shit. Japan has those in vending machines. That can't be the deciding factor. >Also, Americans don't do walking. Walking is a very low effort activity. Good infrastructure usually means that you do little walking and a lot of standing around, this can't account for such a massive difference.
- Karrot_Kream 2y ago
  Japan has Uber Eats and Dominos also and they're very popular. There are literal cafes in Tokyo where you can get Uber Eats delivered to and eat there.
constantcrying 2y ago
>I think it’s mostly smaller portions Did people 70 years ago in the West just happen to eat smaller portions? >eating sugar in huge quantities. But sugar consumption, per capital, is decreasing. And has done so for decades, when will obesity rates follow?
- xenospn 2y ago
  Are you implying that people who eat less sugar still gain weight?
  - 2y ago