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I find this kind of hilarious because I had just been commenting that, "at the moment all the engineers at OpenAI, including gdb, who currently have their credi

I find this kind of hilarious because I had just been commenting that, "at the moment all the engineers at OpenAI, including gdb, who currently have their credibility in tact are nerd-washing Altman's tarnished reputation by staying there." And lo and behold, Altman chooses gdb's twitter account to make the first joint statement instead of his own, creepily signing off "Sam and Greg" instead of "Greg and Sam" on gdb's own personal twitter account. EDIT: The only reason to go to these weird lengths is if he is feeling especially vulnerable right now and feels the need to broadcast a "Greg is with me, I swear" message to signal he is not alone.

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Invictus0 2y ago
It would probably be against hacker news guidelines to call him a manipulative weasel, so I will refrain from that.
wrsh07 2y ago
Greg has some agency in this He also stuck by Altman in November. I'm surprised by how much credit and how much hate goes to the CEO when there are clearly other people making their own decisions, too. Say whatever you want, they've done something impressive. That credit goes to more than just Sam. Ilya & Jan aren't the only ones making decisions. Also, if you've ever been at a startup growing at the speed OpenAI is growing (think revenue, fundraising, headcount), it's not that unusual to see cofounders leave or to have other leadership changes. The reason why everybody thinks OpenAI looks particularly bad is because everybody is watching them (and public sentiment towards ai has shifted)
- voiceblue 2y ago
  > The reason why everybody thinks OpenAI looks particularly bad is because everybody is watching them A reason, sure. The reason? Come on. There's a clue in their name about what part of their history is particularly controversial.
  - wrsh07 2y ago
    Sorry, in the context of this tweet and my message, I was referring to "senior leadership leaving" This sort of high level turnover isn't that uncommon. OpenAI is growing quickly and going from initial concept to hundreds of millions in revenue - this is a time of transition for a lot of startups. You can absolutely criticize them for hypocrisy or whatever other issue, but I don't think most people should read too much into Ilya/Jan leaving.
consumer451 2y ago
There seem to be only three options here: 1) AGI is not around the corner, so no worries 2) He no longer cares about the possible negative effects, a departure from his past statements 3) I missed something, please help me learn
- zer00eyz 2y ago
  > 1) AGI is not around the corner, so no worries I agree with this. I no longer agree that the "safety" people want the same things we do. I suspect after the bard debacle a bit back that "safety" looks a lot more like 1984. > He no longer cares ... I missed something Sam was gone, none of these people spoke up, and now they are leaving. I think the story is plain as day but we're pretending it isnt. Sam isnt a leader, he never has been. This is not what leadership looks like, its want a megalomanic trying to keep control looks like.
  - _heimdall 2y ago
    > I no longer agree that the "safety" people want the same things we do. I suspect after the bard debacle a bit back that "safety" looks a lot more like 1984. AI Safety will inevitably look a lot like DEI programs. They're trying to thread a needle with two fundamentally opposed ideas, and with a bit of time it turns into little more than a combination of Cover Your Ass policies. The ridiculous thing is that we actually need initiatives that follow what both AI safety and DEI set out to be. Somehow along the way they get ruined though, leaving us in an even worse spot because for a while we have an excuse to think there are adults in the room actually making sure things are moving in the right direction.
    - Analemma_ 2y ago
      Have you actually talked to any AI safety people? They despise the DEI-flavored AI ethics "make sure it generates enough black people" stuff just as much as you do, and I think you're lumping the two of them together just based on your own dislike, without checking whether that's actually reflective of the reality on the ground.

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Invictus0 2y ago

It would probably be against hacker news guidelines to call him a manipulative weasel, so I will refrain from that.

wrsh07 2y ago

Greg has some agency in this He also stuck by Altman in November. I'm surprised by how much credit and how much hate goes to the CEO when there are clearly other people making their own decisions, too. Say whatever you want, they've done something impressive. That credit goes to more than just Sam. Ilya & Jan aren't the only ones making decisions. Also, if you've ever been at a startup growing at the speed OpenAI is growing (think revenue, fundraising, headcount), it's not that unusual to see cofounders leave or to have other leadership changes. The reason why everybody thinks OpenAI looks particularly bad is because everybody is watching them (and public sentiment towards ai has shifted)

voiceblue 2y ago
> The reason why everybody thinks OpenAI looks particularly bad is because everybody is watching them A reason, sure. The reason? Come on. There's a clue in their name about what part of their history is particularly controversial.
- wrsh07 2y ago
  Sorry, in the context of this tweet and my message, I was referring to "senior leadership leaving" This sort of high level turnover isn't that uncommon. OpenAI is growing quickly and going from initial concept to hundreds of millions in revenue - this is a time of transition for a lot of startups. You can absolutely criticize them for hypocrisy or whatever other issue, but I don't think most people should read too much into Ilya/Jan leaving.

consumer451 2y ago

There seem to be only three options here: 1) AGI is not around the corner, so no worries 2) He no longer cares about the possible negative effects, a departure from his past statements 3) I missed something, please help me learn

zer00eyz 2y ago
> 1) AGI is not around the corner, so no worries I agree with this. I no longer agree that the "safety" people want the same things we do. I suspect after the bard debacle a bit back that "safety" looks a lot more like 1984. > He no longer cares ... I missed something Sam was gone, none of these people spoke up, and now they are leaving. I think the story is plain as day but we're pretending it isnt. Sam isnt a leader, he never has been. This is not what leadership looks like, its want a megalomanic trying to keep control looks like.
- _heimdall 2y ago
  > I no longer agree that the "safety" people want the same things we do. I suspect after the bard debacle a bit back that "safety" looks a lot more like 1984. AI Safety will inevitably look a lot like DEI programs. They're trying to thread a needle with two fundamentally opposed ideas, and with a bit of time it turns into little more than a combination of Cover Your Ass policies. The ridiculous thing is that we actually need initiatives that follow what both AI safety and DEI set out to be. Somehow along the way they get ruined though, leaving us in an even worse spot because for a while we have an excuse to think there are adults in the room actually making sure things are moving in the right direction.
  - Analemma_ 2y ago
    Have you actually talked to any AI safety people? They despise the DEI-flavored AI ethics "make sure it generates enough black people" stuff just as much as you do, and I think you're lumping the two of them together just based on your own dislike, without checking whether that's actually reflective of the reality on the ground.