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Brutalism is anything but fascistic (social housing). In fact brutalism is the extreme emphasis of simplicity and minimalism through mathematical forms. Fascist

Brutalism is anything but fascistic (social housing). In fact brutalism is the extreme emphasis of simplicity and minimalism through mathematical forms. Fascist architecture (and fashion and art in general) on the other hand is extremely ornamental. But in a world that quickly forgets what Nazism and Fascism really is you might be forgiven for your ignorance.

PhilipRoman 2y ago
Fascists were surprisingly "progressive" in the original meaning of the word. Hitler himself was quoted saying that form follows function and if you look at the plans for their new capital, I would not call it particularly ornamented. I guess "imposing" would be a better description. It's a similar story with the more detailed blackletter fonts - "Your alleged Gothic internalization does not fit well in this age of steel and iron, glass and concrete" It is a big mistake to conflate traditionalism/conservatism with fascism/nazism, these movements were inherently modern, even when the majority of people under them were not (as is the case in most of the world - the politically active minority creates revolutionary ideologies which are then stripped down to only the essentials by the pragmatic masses).
- medo-bear 2y ago
  Nazis and fascists were progressive in so far as they copied Bolsheviks (state control of the key sectors of economy and social programs). In fact they initially marketed themselves to the working class as socialists with nationalist and traditional values, as opposed to the cosmopolitan values of the communists. A lot of things are imposing but are not Nazi or Fascist. However Nazism and Fascism without traditionalism doesn't make sense. Both (especially Nazism) draw heavily on nationalistic mythology. This is not to say that traditionalism implies either Nazism or Fascism. That should be obvious. My point is that Brutalism has nothing to do with either Fascism or Nazism.
  - marcosdumay 2y ago
    You are saying the artist-wannabe that was the head of the German government copied his modernist preferences... from Russia?
    - medo-bear 2y ago
      Hitler was decidedly against modernism, including in architecture (read up on history of Bauhaus), preferring instead neoclassical architecture.
      - barrysteve 2y ago
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PhilipRoman 2y ago

Fascists were surprisingly "progressive" in the original meaning of the word. Hitler himself was quoted saying that form follows function and if you look at the plans for their new capital, I would not call it particularly ornamented. I guess "imposing" would be a better description. It's a similar story with the more detailed blackletter fonts - "Your alleged Gothic internalization does not fit well in this age of steel and iron, glass and concrete" It is a big mistake to conflate traditionalism/conservatism with fascism/nazism, these movements were inherently modern, even when the majority of people under them were not (as is the case in most of the world - the politically active minority creates revolutionary ideologies which are then stripped down to only the essentials by the pragmatic masses).

medo-bear 2y ago
Nazis and fascists were progressive in so far as they copied Bolsheviks (state control of the key sectors of economy and social programs). In fact they initially marketed themselves to the working class as socialists with nationalist and traditional values, as opposed to the cosmopolitan values of the communists. A lot of things are imposing but are not Nazi or Fascist. However Nazism and Fascism without traditionalism doesn't make sense. Both (especially Nazism) draw heavily on nationalistic mythology. This is not to say that traditionalism implies either Nazism or Fascism. That should be obvious. My point is that Brutalism has nothing to do with either Fascism or Nazism.
- marcosdumay 2y ago
  You are saying the artist-wannabe that was the head of the German government copied his modernist preferences... from Russia?
  - medo-bear 2y ago
    Hitler was decidedly against modernism, including in architecture (read up on history of Bauhaus), preferring instead neoclassical architecture.
    - barrysteve 2y ago
      [dead]