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Awfully familiar to the other South-African emerald mine inheritor tech mogul.

by orlandrescu 2y ago

kmeisthax 2y ago
I'm starting to think the relatives of South African emerald mine owners might not be the best people to trust...
- fennecbutt 2y ago
  Lmao no point in worrying about AI spreading FUD when people do it all by themselves. You know what AI is actually gonna be useful for? AR source attachments to everything that comes out of our monkey mouths, or a huge floating [no source] over someone's head. Realtime factual accuracy checking pls I need it.
  - docmars 2y ago
    If it comes packaged with the constant barrage of ridicule and abuse from others for daring to be slightly wrong about something, nobody may as well talk at all.
  - postmodest 2y ago
    Who designs the training set for your putative "fact checker" AI?
- pawelmurias 2y ago
  You are not responsible for the sins of your father regardless of how seriously fucked in the head he is.
  - Loughla 2y ago
    No but there is the old nature versus nurture debate. If you're raised in a home with a parent who has zero qualms about exploiting human suffering for profit, that's probably going to have an impact, right?
    - johnisgood 2y ago
      What are you implying here? The answer to the nature vs. nurture debate is "both", see "epigenetics" for more. When considering the influence of a parent with morally reprehensible behavior, it's important to recognize that the environment a child grows up in can indeed have a profound impact on their development. Children raised in households where unethical behaviors are normalized may adopt some of these behaviors themselves, either through direct imitation or as a response to the emotional and psychological environment. However, it is equally possible for individuals to reject these influences. Furthermore, while acknowledging the potential impact of a negative upbringing, it is critical to avoid deterministic assumptions about individuals. People are not simply products of their environment; they possess agency and the capacity for change, and we need to realize that not all individuals perceive and respond to environmental stimuli in the same way. Personal experiences, cognitive processes, and emotional responses can lead to different interpretations and reactions to similar environmental conditions. Therefore, while the influence of a parent's actions cannot be dismissed, it is neither fair nor accurate to presume that an individual will inevitably follow in their footsteps. As for epigenetics: it highlights how environmental factors can influence gene expression, adding a layer of complexity to how we understand the interaction between genes and environment. While the environment can modify gene expression, individuals may exhibit different levels of susceptibility or resistance to these changes based on genetic variability.
      - gopher_space 2y ago
        > However, it is equally possible for individuals to reject these influences. The crux of your thesis is a legal point of view, not a scientific one. It's a relic from when Natural Philosophy was new and hip, and fundamentally obviated by leaded gasoline. Discussing free will in a biological context is meaningless because the concept is defined by social coercion. It's the opposite of slavery.
  - programjames 2y ago
    From a game theory perspective, it can make sense to punish future generations to prevent someone from YOLO'ing at the end of their life. But that only works if they actually care about their children, so perhaps it should be, "you are less responsible for the sins of your father the more seriously fucked in the head he is."
  - kmeisthax 2y ago
    This is a great sentiment in theory. But it assumes that the child is actually interested in rejecting those sins - and accepting the economic consequences of equality (e.g. them not being filthy stinking rich). In practice most rich people spoil the shit out of their kids and they wind up being even more fucked in the head than their parents.
treme 2y ago
Please. Elon's track record to take tesla from concept car stage to current mass production levels and building SpaceX from scratch is hardly comparable to Altman's track record.
- satvikpendem 2y ago
  Indeed, at least Elon and his teams actually accomplished something worthwhile compared to Altman.
- jajko 2y ago
  But he is a manager, not an engineer although he sells himself off as such. He keeps smart capable folks around, abuses most of them pretty horribly, and when he intervenes with products its hit and miss. For example latest Tesla Model 3 changes must have been pretty major fuckup and there is no way he didn't ack it all. Plus all self-driving lies and more lies well within fraud territory at this point. Not even going into his sociopathic personality, massive childish ego and apparent 'daddy issues' which in men manifest exactly like him. He is not in day-to-day SpaceX control and it shows.
  - treme 2y ago
    "A cynical habit of thought and speech, a readiness to criticize work which the critic himself never tries to perform, an intellectual aloofness which will not accept contact with life's realities—all these are marks, not ... of superiority but of weakness.”
    - Angostura 2y ago
      As is repeatedly spamming the same pasta
  - formerly_proven 2y ago
    You’re confusing mommy and daddy issues. Mommy issues is what makes fash control freaks.
- TechnicolorByte 2y ago
kaycebasques 2y ago
Are you saying that Altman has family that did business in South African emerald mines? I can't find info about this
- kryptogeist 2y ago
  No. Some dude that launches rockets did, though.
  - xaPe 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - slau 2y ago
      Surely people trying to build rockets are trying to do _the opposite_ of "bringing people down"?
      - schmidtleonard 2y ago
        The rockets are reusable, the people are expendable.
- WalterSear 2y ago
  They are referring to Elon Musk.
  - pseudalopex 2y ago
    Saying the other suggested there were 2.
huijzer 2y ago
[flagged]
- sumedh 2y ago
  > you’ll see that he cares a lot about the truth. Didnt he call the cave diver, a pedo and the guy who attacked Pelosi's husband they were in a gay relationship.
  - spinach 2y ago
    He doesn't seem have much of a filter because of his aspergers, but I think he genuinely believed those things. And they are more on the level of calling people names on the playground anyway. In the grand scheme of things, those are pretty shallow "lies".
    - mynameisvlad 2y ago
      Oh so it’s ok to lie and call people a pedophile (which is far beyond playground name-calling; from a famous person a statement like that actually carries a lot of weight) if you genuinely believe it and have Asperger’s? Those might explain his behavior, but it does not excuse it.
      - FireBeyond 2y ago
        Musk fans will contort into pretzels. He genuinely believed it. Just an insult. Just trading shots because the guy called his idea stupid. It’s the RDF.
    - smt88 2y ago
      I have multiple relatives on the spectrum. None of them baselessly accuse strangers of being pedophiles. It's not Musk's lack of filter that makes him unhinged and dangerous. It's that he's deeply stupid, insecure, racist, enamored of conspiracy theories, and powerful.
      - 2y ago
xaPe 2y ago
It didn't take long to drag Elon into this thread. The bitterness and cynicism is unreal.
xyzzyz 2y ago
You are literally repeating false smears about Elon Mask. No emerald mine has ever been owned by anyone in Elon's family, and Elon certainly didn't inherit any of it. I find it very ironic that you are doing this while accusing someone of being a manipulative crook.

Awfully familiar to the other South-African emerald mine inheritor tech mogul.

kmeisthax 2y ago

I'm starting to think the relatives of South African emerald mine owners might not be the best people to trust...

fennecbutt 2y ago
Lmao no point in worrying about AI spreading FUD when people do it all by themselves. You know what AI is actually gonna be useful for? AR source attachments to everything that comes out of our monkey mouths, or a huge floating [no source] over someone's head. Realtime factual accuracy checking pls I need it.
- docmars 2y ago
  If it comes packaged with the constant barrage of ridicule and abuse from others for daring to be slightly wrong about something, nobody may as well talk at all.
- postmodest 2y ago
  Who designs the training set for your putative "fact checker" AI?
pawelmurias 2y ago
You are not responsible for the sins of your father regardless of how seriously fucked in the head he is.
- Loughla 2y ago
  No but there is the old nature versus nurture debate. If you're raised in a home with a parent who has zero qualms about exploiting human suffering for profit, that's probably going to have an impact, right?
  - johnisgood 2y ago
    What are you implying here? The answer to the nature vs. nurture debate is "both", see "epigenetics" for more. When considering the influence of a parent with morally reprehensible behavior, it's important to recognize that the environment a child grows up in can indeed have a profound impact on their development. Children raised in households where unethical behaviors are normalized may adopt some of these behaviors themselves, either through direct imitation or as a response to the emotional and psychological environment. However, it is equally possible for individuals to reject these influences. Furthermore, while acknowledging the potential impact of a negative upbringing, it is critical to avoid deterministic assumptions about individuals. People are not simply products of their environment; they possess agency and the capacity for change, and we need to realize that not all individuals perceive and respond to environmental stimuli in the same way. Personal experiences, cognitive processes, and emotional responses can lead to different interpretations and reactions to similar environmental conditions. Therefore, while the influence of a parent's actions cannot be dismissed, it is neither fair nor accurate to presume that an individual will inevitably follow in their footsteps. As for epigenetics: it highlights how environmental factors can influence gene expression, adding a layer of complexity to how we understand the interaction between genes and environment. While the environment can modify gene expression, individuals may exhibit different levels of susceptibility or resistance to these changes based on genetic variability.
    - gopher_space 2y ago
      > However, it is equally possible for individuals to reject these influences. The crux of your thesis is a legal point of view, not a scientific one. It's a relic from when Natural Philosophy was new and hip, and fundamentally obviated by leaded gasoline. Discussing free will in a biological context is meaningless because the concept is defined by social coercion. It's the opposite of slavery.
- programjames 2y ago
  From a game theory perspective, it can make sense to punish future generations to prevent someone from YOLO'ing at the end of their life. But that only works if they actually care about their children, so perhaps it should be, "you are less responsible for the sins of your father the more seriously fucked in the head he is."
- kmeisthax 2y ago
  This is a great sentiment in theory. But it assumes that the child is actually interested in rejecting those sins - and accepting the economic consequences of equality (e.g. them not being filthy stinking rich). In practice most rich people spoil the shit out of their kids and they wind up being even more fucked in the head than their parents.

treme 2y ago

Please. Elon's track record to take tesla from concept car stage to current mass production levels and building SpaceX from scratch is hardly comparable to Altman's track record.

satvikpendem 2y ago
Indeed, at least Elon and his teams actually accomplished something worthwhile compared to Altman.
jajko 2y ago
But he is a manager, not an engineer although he sells himself off as such. He keeps smart capable folks around, abuses most of them pretty horribly, and when he intervenes with products its hit and miss. For example latest Tesla Model 3 changes must have been pretty major fuckup and there is no way he didn't ack it all. Plus all self-driving lies and more lies well within fraud territory at this point. Not even going into his sociopathic personality, massive childish ego and apparent 'daddy issues' which in men manifest exactly like him. He is not in day-to-day SpaceX control and it shows.
- treme 2y ago
  "A cynical habit of thought and speech, a readiness to criticize work which the critic himself never tries to perform, an intellectual aloofness which will not accept contact with life's realities—all these are marks, not ... of superiority but of weakness.”
  - Angostura 2y ago
    As is repeatedly spamming the same pasta
- formerly_proven 2y ago
  You’re confusing mommy and daddy issues. Mommy issues is what makes fash control freaks.
TechnicolorByte 2y ago

kaycebasques 2y ago

Are you saying that Altman has family that did business in South African emerald mines? I can't find info about this

kryptogeist 2y ago
No. Some dude that launches rockets did, though.
- xaPe 2y ago
  [flagged]
  - slau 2y ago
    Surely people trying to build rockets are trying to do _the opposite_ of "bringing people down"?
    - schmidtleonard 2y ago
      The rockets are reusable, the people are expendable.
WalterSear 2y ago
They are referring to Elon Musk.
- pseudalopex 2y ago
  Saying the other suggested there were 2.

huijzer 2y ago

[flagged]

sumedh 2y ago
> you’ll see that he cares a lot about the truth. Didnt he call the cave diver, a pedo and the guy who attacked Pelosi's husband they were in a gay relationship.
- spinach 2y ago
  He doesn't seem have much of a filter because of his aspergers, but I think he genuinely believed those things. And they are more on the level of calling people names on the playground anyway. In the grand scheme of things, those are pretty shallow "lies".
  - mynameisvlad 2y ago
    Oh so it’s ok to lie and call people a pedophile (which is far beyond playground name-calling; from a famous person a statement like that actually carries a lot of weight) if you genuinely believe it and have Asperger’s? Those might explain his behavior, but it does not excuse it.
    - FireBeyond 2y ago
      Musk fans will contort into pretzels. He genuinely believed it. Just an insult. Just trading shots because the guy called his idea stupid. It’s the RDF.
  - smt88 2y ago
    I have multiple relatives on the spectrum. None of them baselessly accuse strangers of being pedophiles. It's not Musk's lack of filter that makes him unhinged and dangerous. It's that he's deeply stupid, insecure, racist, enamored of conspiracy theories, and powerful.
    - 2y ago

xaPe 2y ago

It didn't take long to drag Elon into this thread. The bitterness and cynicism is unreal.

xyzzyz 2y ago

You are literally repeating false smears about Elon Mask. No emerald mine has ever been owned by anyone in Elon's family, and Elon certainly didn't inherit any of it. I find it very ironic that you are doing this while accusing someone of being a manipulative crook.