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Sounds like a great example of shitty metrics that probably have no correlation to standardized test scores.

WalterBright 2y ago
If you're getting a business degree, what's the excuse for misspelling "business"? None of these requirements were difficult or unreasonable. The students didn't have a problem with them, either. His classes were well-attended.
- giantg2 2y ago
  The requirements seem reasonable. The enforced punishment may not be depending on the circumstances. I feel like it's overkill - deduct points but dont make it an automatic F. Do I also get an automatic A in the class if the professor misspelled one? People are human after all, so it might happen. I guess it really sucks for people with language disabilities too.
  - yowzadave 2y ago
    Given that the requirements are so simple, and they are announced clearly and with plenty of time to comply, this does not seem unfair to me. There are many real-world tasks where an error could result in catastrophic failure--we approach those tasks with caution! It's useful to learn this lesson in college where the worst punishment you can get is just having a grade lowered (and really, when has anybody ever asked you what your GPA was in college).
    - giantg2 2y ago
      "Given that the requirements are so simple, and they are announced clearly and with plenty of time to comply, this does not seem unfair to me." I don't have an issue with the requirements, but rather with the magnitude of the punishment. "There are many real-world tasks where an error could result in catastrophic failure--we approach those tasks with caution!" Then make it more realistic. You got the wrong numbers for the budget, broke an employment law in a mock interview, etc. "and really, when has anybody ever asked you what your GPA was in college" Job interviews right out of college.
  - WalterBright 2y ago
    > The enforced punishment may not be depending on the circumstances When the students thought he wasn't going to enforce it, they didn't bother complying.
- jncfhnb 2y ago
  A passing lapse of attention on a trivial issue seems like a perfectly good excuse one’s correct usage of its has no bearing on their mastery of introductory finance. If we devoted extra energy to getting high schoolers to follow your dad’s shitty rules, they would probably do worse on standardized tests because you’ve utterly distorted the apparent salience of certain skills
  - WalterBright 2y ago
    A lot of employers mark misspellings on a college graduate resume "no hire". One would never know it, either, because reasons for rejection are rarely given. > high schoolers This was college, not high school. More is expected from college students.
    - jncfhnb 2y ago
      That sounds like a great lesson to teach in a course about professional development or career guidance then. Was this what your dad was teaching?
      - WalterBright 2y ago
        He taught classes in business and finance, and was dismayed at students graduating with a business degree who could not spell "business". He felt it damaged the reputation of the college.
- space_crab 2y ago
  Off the top of my head, students who speak English as a second language, or students who have dyslexia or dysgraphia may have trouble spelling these words on written exams. I’m curious if an ‘F’ for a typo can even be enforced if the professor provided a proper grading rubric.
  - WalterBright 2y ago
    Is it unreasonable for someone fluent enough in English to take a class that is entirely in English be able to handle 5 simple rules? As for other issues, I am susceptible to making certain kinds of mistakes in programming. I've learned to double/triple check those to compensate. Is it really a big ask for people wanting a business degree be able to spell business? Oh the humanity!
- SkyBelow 2y ago
  If you're getting a business degree, what's the excuse for mispronouncing business? If you can't pronounce it in fluent English, automatic fail on any oral reports. I think people would quickly see the issue with this. Failing someone with a speech impediment isn't acceptable, even in a public speaking class. Spelling is not that different, given how much of ones ability to spell a word is related to ones ability to pronounce a word. Yes, if there are a few specific words people could try to just focus on perfectly memorizing them, but what's the value in that? And if they mess up, that really deserves a 0? I also expect students to stand during their presentation. No excuses or automatic zero. If some may think this is a comparison too far, I'm someone with a speech impediment from childhood which led to a long struggle with spelling and I don't really see how it is different.
  - WalterBright 2y ago
    Would you buy a business textbook entitled "Bizziness" ? Me neither. > I'm someone with a speech impediment from childhood which led to a long struggle with spelling and I don't really see how it is different. The spelling in your post is perfect, so I infer you did overcome it. Great! One can also have one's roommate check a term paper for spelling. I'd even write "business" on a card and refer to it as necessary. It's not like needing a dictionary. Just 5 words or so. Little story: I would contract out the work preparing brochures for my business. I would have to correct the spelling every time. The contractor would get annoyed with that. One day, he prepared a brochure, and sent it to the printer for thousands of copies. He proudly showed it to me. The first thing I noticed was the headline was misspelled. He wound up fixing it and rerunning the print run at his own expense. Misspelling in business is not only unprofessional, it's costly.
    - jncfhnb 2y ago
      I would rather buy a finance book that correctly defines present value than spells business right
      - WalterBright 2y ago
        It's a bit hard to test you on that, because I've never heard of a finance book that didn't spell business correctly, regardless of its content. I do know that I stop reading articles on the internet that the author couldn't be bothered to use a spell checker on. There's way too much to read, why waste time on sloppy writers?

If you're getting a business degree, what's the excuse for misspelling "business"? None of these requirements were difficult or unreasonable. The students didn't have a problem with them, either. His classes were well-attended.

giantg2 2y ago
The requirements seem reasonable. The enforced punishment may not be depending on the circumstances. I feel like it's overkill - deduct points but dont make it an automatic F. Do I also get an automatic A in the class if the professor misspelled one? People are human after all, so it might happen. I guess it really sucks for people with language disabilities too.
- yowzadave 2y ago
  Given that the requirements are so simple, and they are announced clearly and with plenty of time to comply, this does not seem unfair to me. There are many real-world tasks where an error could result in catastrophic failure--we approach those tasks with caution! It's useful to learn this lesson in college where the worst punishment you can get is just having a grade lowered (and really, when has anybody ever asked you what your GPA was in college).
  - giantg2 2y ago
    "Given that the requirements are so simple, and they are announced clearly and with plenty of time to comply, this does not seem unfair to me." I don't have an issue with the requirements, but rather with the magnitude of the punishment. "There are many real-world tasks where an error could result in catastrophic failure--we approach those tasks with caution!" Then make it more realistic. You got the wrong numbers for the budget, broke an employment law in a mock interview, etc. "and really, when has anybody ever asked you what your GPA was in college" Job interviews right out of college.
- WalterBright 2y ago
  > The enforced punishment may not be depending on the circumstances When the students thought he wasn't going to enforce it, they didn't bother complying.
jncfhnb 2y ago
A passing lapse of attention on a trivial issue seems like a perfectly good excuse one’s correct usage of its has no bearing on their mastery of introductory finance. If we devoted extra energy to getting high schoolers to follow your dad’s shitty rules, they would probably do worse on standardized tests because you’ve utterly distorted the apparent salience of certain skills
- WalterBright 2y ago
  A lot of employers mark misspellings on a college graduate resume "no hire". One would never know it, either, because reasons for rejection are rarely given. > high schoolers This was college, not high school. More is expected from college students.
  - jncfhnb 2y ago
    That sounds like a great lesson to teach in a course about professional development or career guidance then. Was this what your dad was teaching?
    - WalterBright 2y ago
      He taught classes in business and finance, and was dismayed at students graduating with a business degree who could not spell "business". He felt it damaged the reputation of the college.
space_crab 2y ago
Off the top of my head, students who speak English as a second language, or students who have dyslexia or dysgraphia may have trouble spelling these words on written exams. I’m curious if an ‘F’ for a typo can even be enforced if the professor provided a proper grading rubric.
- WalterBright 2y ago
  Is it unreasonable for someone fluent enough in English to take a class that is entirely in English be able to handle 5 simple rules? As for other issues, I am susceptible to making certain kinds of mistakes in programming. I've learned to double/triple check those to compensate. Is it really a big ask for people wanting a business degree be able to spell business? Oh the humanity!
SkyBelow 2y ago
If you're getting a business degree, what's the excuse for mispronouncing business? If you can't pronounce it in fluent English, automatic fail on any oral reports. I think people would quickly see the issue with this. Failing someone with a speech impediment isn't acceptable, even in a public speaking class. Spelling is not that different, given how much of ones ability to spell a word is related to ones ability to pronounce a word. Yes, if there are a few specific words people could try to just focus on perfectly memorizing them, but what's the value in that? And if they mess up, that really deserves a 0? I also expect students to stand during their presentation. No excuses or automatic zero. If some may think this is a comparison too far, I'm someone with a speech impediment from childhood which led to a long struggle with spelling and I don't really see how it is different.
- WalterBright 2y ago
  Would you buy a business textbook entitled "Bizziness" ? Me neither. > I'm someone with a speech impediment from childhood which led to a long struggle with spelling and I don't really see how it is different. The spelling in your post is perfect, so I infer you did overcome it. Great! One can also have one's roommate check a term paper for spelling. I'd even write "business" on a card and refer to it as necessary. It's not like needing a dictionary. Just 5 words or so. Little story: I would contract out the work preparing brochures for my business. I would have to correct the spelling every time. The contractor would get annoyed with that. One day, he prepared a brochure, and sent it to the printer for thousands of copies. He proudly showed it to me. The first thing I noticed was the headline was misspelled. He wound up fixing it and rerunning the print run at his own expense. Misspelling in business is not only unprofessional, it's costly.
  - jncfhnb 2y ago
    I would rather buy a finance book that correctly defines present value than spells business right
    - WalterBright 2y ago
      It's a bit hard to test you on that, because I've never heard of a finance book that didn't spell business correctly, regardless of its content. I do know that I stop reading articles on the internet that the author couldn't be bothered to use a spell checker on. There's way too much to read, why waste time on sloppy writers?