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These aren't built in a city, where most people will be staring at them. They are in remote areas. I'd also argue that they are awesome, quietly spinning giant

by gibolt 2y ago

These aren't built in a city, where most people will be staring at them. They are in remote areas. I'd also argue that they are awesome, quietly spinning giants in the distance. Although maybe that wears off if you constantly live near one. Cell towers and oil wells are allowed to be built wherever by a landowner and are both eyesores, yet were built anyway.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> These aren't built in a city, where most people will be staring at them No, we reserve our cities for these lovelies [1]. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/05/nyregion/nyc-5g-towers.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/05/nyregion/nyc-5g-towers.ht...
- ch4s3 2y ago
  That looks better than a transformer or a bunch of phone lines IMO.
genocidicbunny 2y ago
Does my not living in a city require that I change my sense of aesthetics? Is my sense of what is and isn't attractive required to be defined by where I live?
- TheGRS 2y ago
  I think the whole point is that in cases of aesthetics, we built a bunch of eyesores for utilities and industries in the past anyway. Also I'm sure the next guy is going to say "does my land-ownership not mean anything? Why could my neighbor build an oil field in the past but I can't put up a big wind farm?" It's not black and white like that and trade-offs get made all the time.
  - gibolt 2y ago
    Most of a city is ugly. It doesn't mean we ban alleys, dumpsters, worn paint, trashy vehicles/houses, and most commercial buildings. We accept all of these and yet a beautiful, slow rotating turbine in some farmer's remote land or the middle of the ocean is unacceptable...
  - amadeuspagel 2y ago
    There was never a time when an oil field faced less opposition then a wind farm.
    - TheGRS 2y ago
      Really? Not even in the early oil rush?
      - p51-remorse 2y ago
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  - genocidicbunny 2y ago
    > It's not black and white like that and trade-offs get made all the time. Exactly. My point wasn't that we should sacrifice everything for the sake of aesthetics, as many replies to my comment seem to have taken. It's that for some people, aesthetics will matter, and you cannot just dismiss that without running into pushback -- pushback which will be even stronger if you're making people feel ignored. That also directly translates to things being more expensive.
- lokar 2y ago
  Continuing to live on earth requires everyone update their priorities
janniehater 2y ago
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seabass-labrax 2y ago
I live a couple of miles away from a windfarm. It's not directly visible, because my home is down in a valley, but it's by the main road into the town so you couldn't miss it. Now that I've set the scene, I can make my declaration: yes, they are awesome, quietly spinning giants, and no, the feeling doesn't wear off :) Nonetheless, I'll have to admit they are a bit noisy. If you're right underneath them, it's not so pleasant - but it's better than living by a main road, and especially so when there are internal combustion engine vehicles about. Thus, it's a tradeoff I'd personally be willing to take if it meant more sustainably-powered electric vehicles.

by gibolt 2y ago

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> These aren't built in a city, where most people will be staring at them No, we reserve our cities for these lovelies [1]. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/05/nyregion/nyc-5g-towers.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/05/nyregion/nyc-5g-towers.ht...

ch4s3 2y ago
That looks better than a transformer or a bunch of phone lines IMO.

genocidicbunny 2y ago

Does my not living in a city require that I change my sense of aesthetics? Is my sense of what is and isn't attractive required to be defined by where I live?

TheGRS 2y ago
I think the whole point is that in cases of aesthetics, we built a bunch of eyesores for utilities and industries in the past anyway. Also I'm sure the next guy is going to say "does my land-ownership not mean anything? Why could my neighbor build an oil field in the past but I can't put up a big wind farm?" It's not black and white like that and trade-offs get made all the time.
- gibolt 2y ago
  Most of a city is ugly. It doesn't mean we ban alleys, dumpsters, worn paint, trashy vehicles/houses, and most commercial buildings. We accept all of these and yet a beautiful, slow rotating turbine in some farmer's remote land or the middle of the ocean is unacceptable...
- amadeuspagel 2y ago
  There was never a time when an oil field faced less opposition then a wind farm.
  - TheGRS 2y ago
    Really? Not even in the early oil rush?
    - p51-remorse 2y ago
      [dead]
- genocidicbunny 2y ago
  > It's not black and white like that and trade-offs get made all the time. Exactly. My point wasn't that we should sacrifice everything for the sake of aesthetics, as many replies to my comment seem to have taken. It's that for some people, aesthetics will matter, and you cannot just dismiss that without running into pushback -- pushback which will be even stronger if you're making people feel ignored. That also directly translates to things being more expensive.
lokar 2y ago
Continuing to live on earth requires everyone update their priorities

janniehater 2y ago

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seabass-labrax 2y ago

I live a couple of miles away from a windfarm. It's not directly visible, because my home is down in a valley, but it's by the main road into the town so you couldn't miss it. Now that I've set the scene, I can make my declaration: yes, they are awesome, quietly spinning giants, and no, the feeling doesn't wear off :) Nonetheless, I'll have to admit they are a bit noisy. If you're right underneath them, it's not so pleasant - but it's better than living by a main road, and especially so when there are internal combustion engine vehicles about. Thus, it's a tradeoff I'd personally be willing to take if it meant more sustainably-powered electric vehicles.