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I can also start a subculture about competing for the best type of bank robberies, doesn't make bank robberies a nice thing to do. But yeah fascinating
by flemhans 2y ago
I can also start a subculture about competing for the best type of bank robberies, doesn't make bank robberies a nice thing to do. But yeah fascinating
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- vasco 2y agoWhen graffiti is done on public owned objects or walls, it's impact is merely aesthetic. Not like a bank robbery. And I'd rather see graffiti, even if I find some ugly, than ads all over. And there's way more public ads anywhere than graffiti. I think local urban expressions like stickers and graffiti is pretty cool. The mainstream prefers ads I guess.
- germinator 2y agoThey're very cool until it's your apartment or commercial building, and you have to clean it up - because let's face it, for every clever graffiti, there are fifty that are just tags, swear words, or worse. And your framing is odd - can you only dislike one of these things? Graffiti or ads? There are successful movements to rid cities and scenic areas of ads, or to tone them down.
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- ponector 2y agoGraffiti makes world more beautiful the same way as ads do. It is a vandalism and you shouldn't normalize it.
- BriggyDwiggs42 2y agoGraffiti is about 20 to 30 times better than ads brother.
- 2024throwaway 2y agohttps://w0.peakpx.com/wallpaper/697/794/HD-wallpaper-graffiti-wall-grafitti-colorful-colors-beautiful-wall-duck-tags-spray-mirror-night-letter.jpg https://w0.peakpx.com/wallpaper/697/794/HD-wallpaper-graffit... You don't get to tell me what I find beautiful.
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- raverbashing 2y agoYes because they don't have to be empattic right? And society has to accept any bs they come up with
- 2024throwaway 2y agoYou know what? You’re right. I guess people should be permanently maimed or disfigured for creating art in a location you disprove of. Keep it up.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago> You don't get to tell me what I find beautiful Right. That’s the point. In public spaces, the public has chosen what it believes to be beautiful. Illegal graffiti is one person forcing their aesthetics on everyone. Plenty of cities have surfaces that are open to being grafitti’d. In those cases, the artists bothered to think about others before taking unilateral action.
- wahnfrieden 2y agoin toronto it's embraced to the extent that in areas where it's common, there's funding by businesses and even residences or local gov commission it or permit it and nice work by local artists is less likely to get tagged or covered. there's at least some upside to cooperating when there's a culture to it (to some extent)
- aeyes 2y agoI solved this problem by contracting an artist to put a painting on the wall of my house. Sprayers are artists, they won't paint over it.
- GrayShade 2y agoI've seen a lot of tags put on top of pretty nice-looking murals, many sprayers won't care.
- petre 2y agoTags always looks better on an empty wall.
- taskforcegemini 2y agobut not better than the empty wall
- petre 2y agoOf course. As opposed to over other grafittis I mean.
- Doctor_Fegg 2y agoIf only. The murals under canal bridges in Worcester (UK) have been defaced beyond recognition with tags.
- wiseowise 2y agoFifty? More like fifty thousands.
- ldjb 2y agoThe impact isn't merely aesthetic. For one thing, it can be costly to remove graffiti. And when it's on publicly owned property, who pays for that removal? The public, of course. If, for example, a train is the target of graffiti, it will often need to be taken out of service. This, then, results in a degraded service to the travelling public. Furthermore, graffiti artists often put themselves in dangerous situations. Numerous people have been seriously injured or killed when doing graffiti. That not only sucks for them, but also has various knock-on effects. Some graffiti art can look really nice, whereas others have little artistic value. Regardless, the negative impacts of graffiti should not be overlooked.
- matrix_overload 2y agoWhy does this comment read like it's written by AI?
- walterbell 2y agoObservations affect the observer?
- saagarjha 2y agoBecause the only other group of people who use transitions so often are third graders making sentences from templates.
- ben_w 2y agoPossibly because AI was trained on humans. The "furthermore" and the "Regardless, the negative impacts of graffiti should not be overlooked" do feel a bit AI-esq these days, but it was only yesterday that I myself felt like I was writing like an LLM by responding to a "you misunderstood, I meant …" with an "ah, now I understand": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40380692 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40380692
- thuuuomas 2y ago> The impact isn't merely aesthetic. For one thing, it can be costly to remove graffiti. The cost incurred here is a choice the owner makes when they disagree with the aesthetics of the graffiti.
- diego_sandoval 2y agoI don't think the reason that ads are allowed is because people prefer them. The reason is that whoever puts an ad does so on their own property. You don't put an ad on someone else's wall against their will. Graffiti, on the other hand, is usually done without authorization from the owner of the wall or facade being graffitied.
- saagarjha 2y agoPeople do this all the time…
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- gradschoolfail 2y agoThis debate over graffiti aesthetics seems like it’s semantically adjacent to the rift between political left and right. And so: Have you seen Japanese graffiti? Compared to Japanese ads? Average tokyo ads/grafs are at least more aesthetic than the median in Western cities. With graffiti strangely better than ads by most measures. No , it’s not eye of the beholder, more like the soul of the despoiler. EDIT, for the mods, artificial or not: Japanese spoliation aesthetics are a safe-ish counterexample for rightwingers as they localize the field of contention to the high local effort-high social payoff quadrant, where existing metrics are not questioned. You really want to constrain debate to the low local effort-high global payoff quadrant, which triggers all stripes, but are most relevant for humanity. Consider a GPT7 that requires only 10 dollars to train. Its worthwhile to think about but scares the bejeezus out of most folks. Analogously, left wingers want to move the debate to low local effort-low global cost quadrant, because it seems straightforward to redefine cost metrics… moat and bailey dynamics really, quite curious.
- Nathanba 2y agoPrivate individuals should not get to decide what public building aesthetic I need to accept
- constantcrying 2y agoYes of course they should. Youth gangs on the other hand shouldn't.
- vasco 2y agoWho are these public individuals that can decide? All choices are done by some person.
- edejong 2y agoOne bad does not legitimize another.
- Thorrez 2y agoMost of the graffiti I see is on bridges over the freeway. This is distracting while driving, especially because freeway signs are also hung in that same place, so I look up there for relevant information and instead am distracted by various phrases that I don't understand. Often there's even graffiti on the freeway signs, sometimes covering up the text, making it unreadable. Yes, billboards have some similar problems, but that's somewhat mitigated because those are on the side of the road, not directly above it. But you're right, certainly not as bad as a bank robbery.
- wiseowise 2y ago> And I'd rather see graffiti, even if I find some ugly, than ads all over. How about neither?
- Hugsun 2y agoImplying that graffiti is as bad as bank robberies is wild.
- loloquwowndueo 2y agoDunno dude. If my bank is robbed there’s no real impact to me - all the money is insured. If someone graffitis my house then it looks horrible and I have to spend time and money cleaning it up.
- tshaddox 2y agoMost houses in Germany are not covered in graffiti.
- buster 2y agoExcept in Berlin. My house front is covered completely with ugly tags. Not even nice graffiti. My 2 year old can draw better.
- vasco 2y ago> My 2 year old can draw better. Seems like you got the idea. Give her some stencils and have some fun.
- buster 2y agoI actually wouldn't mind if the house would be covered in nice grafiti! Get some cool artist and have him spray the front, i don't mind. The bullshit tagging is just the worst and stupidest thing to do. It's the difference between vandalism and art.
- wiseowise 2y agoSo your solution to vandalism is to give in to vandals and vandalize your building yourself?
- tshaddox 2y agoBut in a bank robbery you’re taking someone else’s property no no no do not have a moral philosophy argument on HN in conclusion, that’s why a Georgist land value tax is one of the most economically efficient forms of taxation.
- lifeofguenter 2y agoComparing Graffiti with Bank robbery is crazy. Its Art. I would like to understand why people take offense in it - especially if done on places that are so non-important.
- constantcrying 2y agoBecause at best it is ugly. On average you are defacing someone's property and worst case you are causing serious economic damage to someone. It's a reason it is a crime, although sadly it doesn't seem to be really enforced or punished, given the prevalence.
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- damsalor 2y agoIt’s a coping mechanism for youth culture. Your distain has already lost
- tpm 2y agoSome of it can be art, but 99.9% is not, it's territory marking.
- stormking 2y agoNo, it's not.
- wiseowise 2y ago99% of it is not art, sorry, just litter on the walls made by delinquents.
- TiredOfLife 2y agoBank robberies also are art.
- ozim 2y agoIf you want a realistic example look at football ultra fans. There is whole subculture, competition and collaboration networks between fan groups. Some call it bestial street fighting where people lose lives and health but some might find it fascinating…
- HPsquared 2y agoOr, on a larger scale, military history.