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Misgendering someone (Liz Fong-Jones pronouns, as documented on her own sites, are she/her) does tend to undermine the credibility that this is a legitimate gr

by A1kmm 2y ago

Misgendering someone (Liz Fong-Jones pronouns, as documented on her own sites, are she/her) does tend to undermine the credibility that this is a legitimate grievance. Surely given the length at which the author writes on her, they would be aware of this, so it can only be assumed to be a deliberate transphobic act. The defamation case mentioned in Australia appears not to have been responded to (see https://austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/cases/vic/VSC/2023/770.html https://austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/cases/vic/VSC/2023...), but the judge in the case was satisfied that she was actually defamed and doxxed on the site, that she had been harassed as a result of that doxxing, and that the plaintiff had been informed in advance and had done nothing. It seems legitimate that courts in that case should be able to take such things down.

rlygia 2y ago
>It seems legitimate that courts in that case should be able to take such things down. The Kiwi Farms posts that supposedly defamed Fong-Jones were made by American users and the man sued in Australia had absolutely no connection to them other than leasing IPs to Joshua Moon's company. It's absolutely not legitimate. The only reason the man in Australia was sued is because Fong-Jones would not win a lawsuit against Joshua or the users of the site. Joshua specifically talks about the legitimacy of the lawsuit in the article: "In affidavits supplied to Australian court, Liz Fong-Jones has promised under penalty of perjury that these IP addresses are critical to the Kiwi Farms’s operations, uptime, and (most importantly) ability to deliver mean posts about him to the world-wide Internet. We have not used these IP addresses in a year, and only used them publicly for less than a year. How critical these IP addresses are can be easily determined by the fact that the Kiwi Farms remains available to the world-wide Internet, and that we do not use any Flow Chemical IP addresses in doing
JoshuaMoon 2y ago
Hello - I am the author of this article. Yes, my choice of pronoun was deliberate. I will allow you to determine why. In regards to the litigation, your interpretation is wrong. The main reason why the default was granted is that LFJ lied in the affidavits to the court. It was stated under penalty of perjury that the IPs were absolutely necessary for the site to be able to stay up. The site is still up and you may access it on the normal Internet with a normal browser. No IPs from Flow Chemical are in use. Therefore, LFJ's claims that the IPs were necessary are a lie. The other claim significant to the litigation is that I am unserviceable. That the need to sue Vincent was that there is no way to sue me. I am currently involved in two, soon three, separate ongoing civil litigations in the United States. My attorney's address can be found by a link present on every single page of the Kiwi Farms. Simply put, LFJ lied that there is no way to service me. Perhaps, if my website was Australian, it would be within the Court's jurisdiction to object to its contents and order it removed. Fortunately, it is American. I hope this helps.
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- spondylosaurus 2y ago
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  - sunflour_beans 2y ago
    Is there some great and noble reason to police people’s language?
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    - BriggyDwiggs42 2y ago
      Im impressed by your psychic ability to read a person’s chromosomes just by looking at their face, cause if I saw them out of context I’d assume they were female.
      - byyll 2y ago
        > if I saw them out of context I’d assume they were female No need to be this much disingenuous, you can express support in other ways.
        BriggyDwiggs42 2y ago
        I went to the article and looked at the profile pic. I don’t care a ton; if she didn’t pass I’d have made a different argument.
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thrwaway1234567 2y ago
Kiwifarms and it's owner are well known to be transphobic. They have a subforum specifically for making fun of transgender people. Aside from what you mentioned in regards to the court case, there's plenty of other issue with kiwifarms as well: https://old.reddit.com/r/keffals/comments/1bkp9my/proof_kf_harassed_people/ https://old.reddit.com/r/keffals/comments/1bkp9my/proof_kf_h...
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- tjpnz 2y ago
  You've posted that link at least six times here and I'm guessing it's you spamming it over on Substack. People have pointed out the problems they have with that source, repeatedly. I would reiterate that most of your examples of alleged malfeasance are from a decade ago and that none of what's been said is illegal in the United States. You can dislike Josh all you want but it does not make him deserving of tortious interference in his affairs.
  - thrwaway1234567 2y ago
    Some of the examples are rather recent, and there's no evidence of the site's behavior changing. The point is that the site has allowed harassment, contrary to what the owner claims. How have the complaints against him been tortious interference? As far as I am aware, they have been factual. As I've mentioned elsewhere, he's allowed revenge porn (which is illegal in most of the usa) and hackers on his forum: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40396348 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40396348 Revenge porn has gotten the forum dropped by some providers. One of the complaints Liz fong jones had about the forum was that her social security number was being shared on there: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/09/03/kiwifarms-website-offline/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/09/03/kiwifar... I think that has gotten kiwifarms dropped by other providers, since it apparently this came up in her leaked emails complaining about the forum.

by A1kmm 2y ago

rlygia 2y ago

>It seems legitimate that courts in that case should be able to take such things down. The Kiwi Farms posts that supposedly defamed Fong-Jones were made by American users and the man sued in Australia had absolutely no connection to them other than leasing IPs to Joshua Moon's company. It's absolutely not legitimate. The only reason the man in Australia was sued is because Fong-Jones would not win a lawsuit against Joshua or the users of the site. Joshua specifically talks about the legitimacy of the lawsuit in the article: "In affidavits supplied to Australian court, Liz Fong-Jones has promised under penalty of perjury that these IP addresses are critical to the Kiwi Farms’s operations, uptime, and (most importantly) ability to deliver mean posts about him to the world-wide Internet. We have not used these IP addresses in a year, and only used them publicly for less than a year. How critical these IP addresses are can be easily determined by the fact that the Kiwi Farms remains available to the world-wide Internet, and that we do not use any Flow Chemical IP addresses in doing

JoshuaMoon 2y ago

Hello - I am the author of this article. Yes, my choice of pronoun was deliberate. I will allow you to determine why. In regards to the litigation, your interpretation is wrong. The main reason why the default was granted is that LFJ lied in the affidavits to the court. It was stated under penalty of perjury that the IPs were absolutely necessary for the site to be able to stay up. The site is still up and you may access it on the normal Internet with a normal browser. No IPs from Flow Chemical are in use. Therefore, LFJ's claims that the IPs were necessary are a lie. The other claim significant to the litigation is that I am unserviceable. That the need to sue Vincent was that there is no way to sue me. I am currently involved in two, soon three, separate ongoing civil litigations in the United States. My attorney's address can be found by a link present on every single page of the Kiwi Farms. Simply put, LFJ lied that there is no way to service me. Perhaps, if my website was Australian, it would be within the Court's jurisdiction to object to its contents and order it removed. Fortunately, it is American. I hope this helps.

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spondylosaurus 2y ago
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- blastersyndrome 2y ago
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- sunflour_beans 2y ago
  Is there some great and noble reason to police people’s language?
- ChuckDeMar 2y ago
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  - BriggyDwiggs42 2y ago
    Im impressed by your psychic ability to read a person’s chromosomes just by looking at their face, cause if I saw them out of context I’d assume they were female.
    - byyll 2y ago
      > if I saw them out of context I’d assume they were female No need to be this much disingenuous, you can express support in other ways.
      - BriggyDwiggs42 2y ago
        I went to the article and looked at the profile pic. I don’t care a ton; if she didn’t pass I’d have made a different argument.
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thrwaway1234567 2y ago

Kiwifarms and it's owner are well known to be transphobic. They have a subforum specifically for making fun of transgender people. Aside from what you mentioned in regards to the court case, there's plenty of other issue with kiwifarms as well: https://old.reddit.com/r/keffals/comments/1bkp9my/proof_kf_harassed_people/ https://old.reddit.com/r/keffals/comments/1bkp9my/proof_kf_h...

coocoon 2y ago
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tjpnz 2y ago
You've posted that link at least six times here and I'm guessing it's you spamming it over on Substack. People have pointed out the problems they have with that source, repeatedly. I would reiterate that most of your examples of alleged malfeasance are from a decade ago and that none of what's been said is illegal in the United States. You can dislike Josh all you want but it does not make him deserving of tortious interference in his affairs.
- thrwaway1234567 2y ago
  Some of the examples are rather recent, and there's no evidence of the site's behavior changing. The point is that the site has allowed harassment, contrary to what the owner claims. How have the complaints against him been tortious interference? As far as I am aware, they have been factual. As I've mentioned elsewhere, he's allowed revenge porn (which is illegal in most of the usa) and hackers on his forum: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40396348 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40396348 Revenge porn has gotten the forum dropped by some providers. One of the complaints Liz fong jones had about the forum was that her social security number was being shared on there: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/09/03/kiwifarms-website-offline/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/09/03/kiwifar... I think that has gotten kiwifarms dropped by other providers, since it apparently this came up in her leaked emails complaining about the forum.