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I remember as a hobbyist Windows programmer (Borland C++ Builder) I was really envious of the skills required to build something like Winamp - especially the UI

I remember as a hobbyist Windows programmer (Borland C++ Builder) I was really envious of the skills required to build something like Winamp - especially the UI. Back then, advanced learning resources and examples were effectively non-existent or at least, hard to find and stitch together.

yazzku 2y ago
The fact that you can re-skin it at runtime with such a wide variety of skins and load such a variety of plugins puts modern software to shame.
- renegade-otter 2y ago
  Dockable UI, fast, stable, form and function. Really a masterclass in software design to this day.
- pjbk 2y ago
  I think those of us who use the REAPER DAW and its customizable themes are the main beneficiaries of that functionality.
- dale_glass 2y ago
  You can reskin a lot of modern software, it just went out of fashion.
  - yazzku 2y ago
    Modern software won't run on a 30 year-old Win95 computer like Winamp did. CSS inside browser-based applications does not count as skinning; that's just an abomination.
- bredren 2y ago
  It was really cool. Skinning was pretty easy to do. The packaging format was a zip archive with a renamed extension. You could do a lot with a little photoshop skills and trial and error. So many people used it that skins would get a lot of distribution, too.
- RevEng 2y ago
  That's one of the biggest reasons I still use it. Other music players have strictly fixed UIs that often focus on organizing a music library rather than actually playing your music. I'm quite happy organizing my music using the file system.
- mesh 2y ago
  I owe my entire career to the fact that Winamp added the ability to re-skin. I had just graduated graduate school for international economics, and was working for a government contractor who only hired me because I had a masters (they could charge the government more). Because of this, I literally had nothing to do and would just sit in the office. I eventually figured out an excuse to get my employer to buy Photoshop for me and I started learning it on company time. When Winamp came out with the update to add skins, I ended up making one of the very first skins (meshAMP) which became really popularly. https://archive.org/details/winampskins_meshAmp https://archive.org/details/winampskins_meshAmp (I am cringing looking at it now) This led to contract job with STB (to design interfaces for a TV Tuner card they had) and eventually 3DFX (paid in 3d video cards), and eventually a career change and a job as a graphic designer. Except, I was not a good designer, so I quickly learned to program (ASP.net and then JAVA), which led to Macromedia Flash, which led to Macromedia Generator, which eventually led to a job offer from Macromedia (now Adobe), where I still am (sadly, sans Flash). Anyways, thank your WinAMP!
  - nextaccountic 2y ago
    Did you create Macromedia Flash? Or otherwise worked on it Anyway your winamp skin is cool
    - mesh 2y ago
      I worked with the team and had input on the Player, but my job was in community / evangelism.
  - rocky1138 2y ago
    I've felt for a long time that hacker News was dead, then I read your post and it made me warm inside
GeoAtreides 2y ago
(Borland) Delphi also made creating non standard form shapes; the secret was in leveraging the win32 api, which was really easy to do in Delphi. Here's an example: http://www.delphicorner.f9.co.uk/articles/forms4.htm http://www.delphicorner.f9.co.uk/articles/forms4.htm
- cellularmitosis 2y ago
  Strange that they didn't include a single screenshot on that page.
  - taspeotis 2y ago
    Screenshots might take 10’s of kibibytes. Not very baud efficient. Use the webring links at the bottom of the page to find another website that has pictures. Sign their guestbook as thanks.
  - drekipus 2y ago
    Very common for older projects
- worik 2y ago
  I found the secret to C++ programming for Windows was using the C API. It was a long time ago, but IIRC I was using Visual C++ (a very nice compiler that was the first to implement the STL as written) having abandoned Borland Foundation Classes (? name ?) which was dreadful. Woeful. MFC, the MS C++ offering for writing Windows apps was impossible to use and undocumented at the time. We subscribed to those piles of CDs that MS would send out regularly and I could only find decent documentation for the C API, not the MFC one. Weird. I used an explicit event loop (simple for a Computer Science graduate like I was) and the C API inside my C++ programme and it worked a treat Those were (not) the days....
adra 2y ago
I remember fondly writing a winamp clone in school with a team project. We scraped together a rough plugin based player, input and output plugins (a super limited network streaming variant), etc.. good times grinding on a neat project. Yikes, that was like 25 years ago.
bluedino 2y ago
Justin Frank used to hang out on IRC in #winprog or something, and I can remember when he was showing us how he made the UI skinnable. Asking for ideas and input etc. This was back in 96-97?

yazzku 2y ago

The fact that you can re-skin it at runtime with such a wide variety of skins and load such a variety of plugins puts modern software to shame.

renegade-otter 2y ago
Dockable UI, fast, stable, form and function. Really a masterclass in software design to this day.
pjbk 2y ago
I think those of us who use the REAPER DAW and its customizable themes are the main beneficiaries of that functionality.
dale_glass 2y ago
You can reskin a lot of modern software, it just went out of fashion.
- yazzku 2y ago
  Modern software won't run on a 30 year-old Win95 computer like Winamp did. CSS inside browser-based applications does not count as skinning; that's just an abomination.
bredren 2y ago
It was really cool. Skinning was pretty easy to do. The packaging format was a zip archive with a renamed extension. You could do a lot with a little photoshop skills and trial and error. So many people used it that skins would get a lot of distribution, too.
RevEng 2y ago
That's one of the biggest reasons I still use it. Other music players have strictly fixed UIs that often focus on organizing a music library rather than actually playing your music. I'm quite happy organizing my music using the file system.
mesh 2y ago
I owe my entire career to the fact that Winamp added the ability to re-skin. I had just graduated graduate school for international economics, and was working for a government contractor who only hired me because I had a masters (they could charge the government more). Because of this, I literally had nothing to do and would just sit in the office. I eventually figured out an excuse to get my employer to buy Photoshop for me and I started learning it on company time. When Winamp came out with the update to add skins, I ended up making one of the very first skins (meshAMP) which became really popularly. https://archive.org/details/winampskins_meshAmp https://archive.org/details/winampskins_meshAmp (I am cringing looking at it now) This led to contract job with STB (to design interfaces for a TV Tuner card they had) and eventually 3DFX (paid in 3d video cards), and eventually a career change and a job as a graphic designer. Except, I was not a good designer, so I quickly learned to program (ASP.net and then JAVA), which led to Macromedia Flash, which led to Macromedia Generator, which eventually led to a job offer from Macromedia (now Adobe), where I still am (sadly, sans Flash). Anyways, thank your WinAMP!
- nextaccountic 2y ago
  Did you create Macromedia Flash? Or otherwise worked on it Anyway your winamp skin is cool
  - mesh 2y ago
    I worked with the team and had input on the Player, but my job was in community / evangelism.
- rocky1138 2y ago
  I've felt for a long time that hacker News was dead, then I read your post and it made me warm inside

GeoAtreides 2y ago

(Borland) Delphi also made creating non standard form shapes; the secret was in leveraging the win32 api, which was really easy to do in Delphi. Here's an example: http://www.delphicorner.f9.co.uk/articles/forms4.htm http://www.delphicorner.f9.co.uk/articles/forms4.htm

cellularmitosis 2y ago
Strange that they didn't include a single screenshot on that page.
- taspeotis 2y ago
  Screenshots might take 10’s of kibibytes. Not very baud efficient. Use the webring links at the bottom of the page to find another website that has pictures. Sign their guestbook as thanks.
- drekipus 2y ago
  Very common for older projects
worik 2y ago
I found the secret to C++ programming for Windows was using the C API. It was a long time ago, but IIRC I was using Visual C++ (a very nice compiler that was the first to implement the STL as written) having abandoned Borland Foundation Classes (? name ?) which was dreadful. Woeful. MFC, the MS C++ offering for writing Windows apps was impossible to use and undocumented at the time. We subscribed to those piles of CDs that MS would send out regularly and I could only find decent documentation for the C API, not the MFC one. Weird. I used an explicit event loop (simple for a Computer Science graduate like I was) and the C API inside my C++ programme and it worked a treat Those were (not) the days....

adra 2y ago

I remember fondly writing a winamp clone in school with a team project. We scraped together a rough plugin based player, input and output plugins (a super limited network streaming variant), etc.. good times grinding on a neat project. Yikes, that was like 25 years ago.

bluedino 2y ago

Justin Frank used to hang out on IRC in #winprog or something, and I can remember when he was showing us how he made the UI skinnable. Asking for ideas and input etc. This was back in 96-97?