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> "Younger, more left-leaning, and female faculty were generally more opposed to controversial scholarship." That's so counterintuitive, I simply cannot believ
by lupusreal 2y ago
> "Younger, more left-leaning, and female faculty were generally more opposed to controversial scholarship."
That's so counterintuitive, I simply cannot believe it's true.
- BiteCode_dev 2y agoI have a large and very eclectic group of buddies, ranging from one extreme to the other, in term of politic, life style, believes, education, etc. Anecdotally, this is true in my circle. Left leaning people around me think they are more open minded, but really they just have a different set of things they accept. They have the same number of icks, just not at the same place. The big gap is in how they behave when in contact with things they don't like. And right leaning people have been so far more capable of cooperating with those who don't match their values. Also, on paper, left leaning have expressed more humane values, espacially when very general or abstract. But in the day to day, when it comes to the mondain or practical, I've seen the sexist or racist guys help more my muslim or girl friends that the ones saying every body is equal. It weirds me out.
- 2cynykyl 2y agoI too always got the impression that 'cancellations' were spearheaded by young, leftists. Not sure where gender comes in to play though.
- gmarx 2y agoI refer you to the definitive resource on this issue- the movie "Mean Girls". This movie is the key to understanding the current age.
- rootusrootus 2y agoEarly on perhaps that was true, but cancel culture seems to have broad appeal across the political spectrum these days. Although you could make an argument that it still leans left on the public side, with more of a focus on private death threats and harassment on the right. They don't approach the problem of crushing dissent with exactly the same strategy.
- gruez 2y ago> Not sure where gender comes in to play though. women tend to be more left leaning than men. https://www.economist.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=360,quality=80,format=auto/content-assets/images/20240316_EPC746.png https://www.economist.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=360,quality=80...
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- llamaimperative 2y agoI find it very unlikely that you have exposure both to the extreme left and the extreme right.
- rootusrootus 2y agoThat does seem unlikely. The extreme left is a good bit smaller than the extreme right. The vast, vast majority of Democrats that MAGA folks like to paint as communists are in fact damn near as conservative as they are on most issues. You could probably put all the actual communists in America in a single stadium, with space left over.
- BiteCode_dev 2y agoI would say that the stupidest of the left is smarter than the stupidest on the right, but being smart is not what we are talking about. This site proves you can be pretty smart and damn hard to colaborate with :) Also I would argue that being a communist is not the same distance from the center as being a maga. But more importantly, this is irrelevant. Cause I'm not american.
- mensetmanusman 2y agoCommunists as in ceasing land from everyone and putting it in the hands of the party elite?
- BiteCode_dev 2y agoI don't have nazis if this is what you are refering to. Just like I don't have murderers and rapists. But I do have communists, anarchists on one side, and royalists (people in favor or a king) and pro putin on the other. I have anti-vax and phd in physics, millionaires and state help seekers, cops and people making their own amphetamin, people going to all protests and those telling off illegal immigrants to the police. It's like saying it's both hot and cold. You can argue I don't live in the sahara or in the north pole, but I live in France.
- lupusreal 2y ago
- blargey 2y ago> And right leaning people have been so far more capable of cooperating with those who don't match their values. Don't follow US federal politics much, I take it?
- BiteCode_dev 2y agoI do, the American make sure we can't miss it. And of course, I specifically states it's an anecdotate about people around me.
- dj_gitmo 2y agoI don't find it surprising and it fits my experience with millennial, and younger, Anglo sphere women. If you bring topics like "race" or gender, you had better stay within heavily policed boundaries. I don't even disagree with the goals of these people, but I think there is such ridged ideological conformity, that the quality of the thinking suffers. In other words, I am very skeptical of the solutions that they propose because I don't think they have the freedom to really consider these problems from every angle.
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- sapphicsnail 2y agoIt goes both ways. I can't politely criticize capitalism or bring up really basic feminist critiques of the world without most of my conservative friends and family getting agitated. If I do get someone to engage with me, I get the same half dozen talking points I've heard 100s of times.
- dj_gitmo 2y agoAbsolutely. Everyone wants to be the thought police if they think they can get away with it. Before Bari Weiss became a free speech warrior, she was trying to get pro-Palestine professors fired.
- commandlinefan 2y agoI'm genuinely surprised you find that counterintuitive - that would have been my exact guess.
- NegativeLatency 2y agoI wonder if they're less successful in finding an advisor or related to publishing efforts. Not sure if the paper accounts for survivorship bias.
- subjectsigma 2y agoThat definitely matches my experience (in areas outside of psychology)…
- add-sub-mul-div 2y ago> That's so counterintuitive, I simply cannot believe it's true. Science, ladies and gentlemen.
- ChainOfFools 2y agoIt turns entirely on what is meant by 'controversial.' Applying a 1950's sense of the word would indeed be hard to square with the rest of the statement. But a 2020's sense of the word completely aligns with my own experience both as a student and as someone with several minority professors as close family. The most vocal and internally-conformist group, by far, are white female grad students and professors under 40 or 35 or so. Change any single parameter and the population of anti-controversial (in the current sense) voices drops sharply. Also familiar is a general undercurrent of sentiment among departmental and field-adjacent colleagues that the behavior of this group is noxious and counterproductive, even among those who broadly sympathize with them. Along with a resigned and quiet dread that nothing can be done about it.
- NtochkaNzvanova 2y agoIt's called sarcasm, people.
- polski-g 2y agoHigher testosterone is correlated with more willingness to tolerate dissent. And average testosterone has dropped precipitously in the last 30 years.