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> Keeping the internet open is crucial, and part of being open means Reddit content needs to be accessible Hearing this line from OpenAI sounds like the death

> Keeping the internet open is crucial, and part of being open means Reddit content needs to be accessible Hearing this line from OpenAI sounds like the death knell for the Open Web. First off - is Reddit really "the open web" or just a part of it? It's absolutely privately owned, there should be no confusion mentioning "Reddit" and "open" in the same breath. Secondly - if keeping the internet open is crucial, why does it neccessitate incorporating open content into a commercial product? Is it not fair to worry that this is an attempt to commoditize the free transfer of information? Truly, what a braindead piece of marketing copy to write. Sam ought to should be ashamed of the monster he's created.

MisterTea 2y ago
> Hearing this line from OpenAI sounds like the death knell for the Open Web. What does the phrase "open web" really mean? If I search for it the best answer is this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_standards https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_standards - Reddit meets this as I can use reddit in a standards compliant web browser. Their auth and api's are theirs to do as they please including ignoring open auth and api standards. To me the open web is similar to an OS - I can run proprietary programs which speak proprietary protocols along side open source programs and protocols. The platform is "open" - the applications might not be. Buyer beware.
- hsbauauvhabzb 2y ago
  I’m not sure I’d call Reddit ‘open’ after their plug-in hostilities.
  - MisterTea 2y ago
    Reddit is an application so it doesn't really matter to me. The web is a platform that enables applications like reddit. The fact that reddit installed a moat is a problem for reddit users, not web users.
    - hsbauauvhabzb 2y ago
      Everything is open if you can read assembly and de-cap silicon.
- talldayo 2y ago
  My disagreement is with what OpenAI asserts "Open" to mean in this context. Appropriating freely-available content for a privately-owned and commercially sold product is not "Open" at all. You are taking information and furnishing it to someone else expressly as a business. I know everyone has complained about OpenAI misunderstanding their own nom-de-plume, but this extends to how they view the world. It's conceptual and literal openwashing, and you don't need any OSI definitions to understand why it's wrong.
paxys 2y ago
Every website that is publicly accessible is the "open web". Yes the servers are owned by Reddit, but so is every other server that makes up the internet, and any of them can be changed or taken down at any time.

MisterTea 2y ago

> Hearing this line from OpenAI sounds like the death knell for the Open Web. What does the phrase "open web" really mean? If I search for it the best answer is this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_standards https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_standards - Reddit meets this as I can use reddit in a standards compliant web browser. Their auth and api's are theirs to do as they please including ignoring open auth and api standards. To me the open web is similar to an OS - I can run proprietary programs which speak proprietary protocols along side open source programs and protocols. The platform is "open" - the applications might not be. Buyer beware.

hsbauauvhabzb 2y ago
I’m not sure I’d call Reddit ‘open’ after their plug-in hostilities.
- MisterTea 2y ago
  Reddit is an application so it doesn't really matter to me. The web is a platform that enables applications like reddit. The fact that reddit installed a moat is a problem for reddit users, not web users.
  - hsbauauvhabzb 2y ago
    Everything is open if you can read assembly and de-cap silicon.
talldayo 2y ago
My disagreement is with what OpenAI asserts "Open" to mean in this context. Appropriating freely-available content for a privately-owned and commercially sold product is not "Open" at all. You are taking information and furnishing it to someone else expressly as a business. I know everyone has complained about OpenAI misunderstanding their own nom-de-plume, but this extends to how they view the world. It's conceptual and literal openwashing, and you don't need any OSI definitions to understand why it's wrong.

paxys 2y ago

Every website that is publicly accessible is the "open web". Yes the servers are owned by Reddit, but so is every other server that makes up the internet, and any of them can be changed or taken down at any time.