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Women and men are roughly equal in number. If more men are alone, then more women should be alone too. If there's a "male loneliness epidemic," it might mean o

Women and men are roughly equal in number. If more men are alone, then more women should be alone too. If there's a "male loneliness epidemic," it might mean one of these things: - There's no female loneliness epidemic because some men have multiple female partners (unlikely) - Women might be alone but aren't bothered by it—they don't feel lonely (unlikely) - More and more women are becoming homosexual, while less and less men become homosexual (unlikely) So, why do only men complain about being lonely?

barkbyte 2y ago
The details are messy but on the surface it’s simple: women are generally better at friendships. Many men are socially dependent on women because they can’t manage close friendships, so they desperately look for a partner instead.
antisthenes 2y ago
FYI, just because you put "unlikely" next to a statement, doesn't really qualify as evidence and/or argument. For example, the first 2, aren't just "unlikely", they are likely, real and documented in multiple accounts. So if you ask a question based on the wrong inputs, you're not going to get the right answer.
- 0x01DEED 2y ago
  I think I am allowed to state my opinion and then ask other people to comment on my opinion. I said "unlikely" because that's my personal experience. Unfortunately no official statistics exist on these topics. If you have relevant data, please do share them!
keybored 2y ago
Assuming perfect monogamy: Person A could be in a relationship for 1/3 of their adult life (freeing up 2/3 for others). Person B could be in a relationship for none. Person A might not qualify for whatever threshold of loneliness.
polotics 2y ago
Demographics is a very interesting subject. The first of many answers to your question is that there is a strong age-related effect: more younger men are lonelier, and more older women are lonelier too. Be very wary of your source when you look into this, the subject is obviously full of red-pill content. Here's a start: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8579390/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8579390/
sungho_ 2y ago
> There's no female loneliness epidemic because some men have multiple female partners (unlikely) Some men definitely have multiple female partners, but it's only not at the same time. This isn't just wordplay. A few men date many women, so many men are single while fewer women are.
- JohnFen 2y ago
  Some women have multiple partners as well, though. It's not obvious to me that this indicates some sort of imbalance.
mlboss 2y ago
The first statement is not unlikely. Most of the women are only attracted to top 20% of males, but most of the men are attracted to top 80% of females. In previous times a female having multiple partners was shamed upon by society which kept this in check and most of the men got a female partner. Now society no longer shames females to have multiple partner which is causing this divide.
- JohnFen 2y ago
  > Most of the women are only attracted to top 20% of males, but most of the men are attracted to top 80% of females. I don't think this is remotely true. Do you have a source?
  - xethos 2y ago
    They're likely going to cite the OKCupid study, but leave out the part that the study applied to messages, not long-term partners. Polygamy may be on the rise, but not enough to account for the "multiple women per man" theory
  - Balgair 2y ago
    The source that OP may be talking about is an OkCupid blog post that got scrubbed when they were bought out by Match. It was about rating the attractiveness of the opposite sex in heterosexual people, I think in Chicago in like 2008 among like 500 users. The end result graph is here: https://www.google.com/imgres?q=okcupid+blog+20+of+females+attractiveness&imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fexternal-preview.redd.it%2FYOkD5U4T5fcf097vw8z4PlPI7ytWIksArJuuWrhX5bA.png%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3D9f3994e3fb2826721eb36b22a4be09f4db5e62f9&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2FOkCupid%2Fcomments%2F5i6m5y%2Fwomen_have_unrealistic_views_of_how_men_look%2F&docid=E0Zhkr3_lnpYUM&tbnid=hNWIesIFH0DQ6M&w=503&h=644&hcb=2 https://www.google.com/imgres?q=okcupid+blog+20+of+females+a... (sorry if that doesn't work) The data is not nearly this simple as OP is stating, as to be expected with such topics. But the underlying idea is women don't mind that they think men are a bit ugly and will date them anyways. In that, women put less of a preference on physical appearances. Again, I've not read that blog post in a few years and I couldn't find the original source of it as Match scrubbed it. If anyone has the blog post, please let us know.
add-sub-mul-div 2y ago
I think if you listen to women you'll find they mention loneliness a lot, maybe what's changed is men are only recently encouraged to discuss emotions, or the media is new to highlighting it. So male loneliness feels novel or disproportionate but it's not necessarily different from women.
mcphage 2y ago
> There's no female loneliness epidemic because some men have multiple female partners (unlikely) This site is so weird about this issue. It's patently false, and yet so many people on this site think it's happening—that a significant percentage of women are satisfied in a relationship where they share a guy with several other women. > Women might be alone but aren't bothered by it—they don't feel lonely (unlikely) This one doesn't seem that unlikely—or maybe they're not as lonely because they have other social structures in place besides a romantic partner? > So, why do only men complain about being lonely? Another possibility: it's not just men that complain about being lonely, but complaints about loneliness from men and women are taken with a different degree of seriousness from media and/or corporations.
JohnFen 2y ago
There is no "male loneliness epidemic". There is absolutely a large increase in loneliness with all genders, though. I think it has a lot to do with the alienation that things like social media bring, and I think that replacing human interaction with AI will make the loneliness trend worse.
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exolymph 2y ago
men have trouble finding women* who want to fuck them women have trouble finding men* who want to wife them *deemed sufficiently attractive

barkbyte 2y ago

The details are messy but on the surface it’s simple: women are generally better at friendships. Many men are socially dependent on women because they can’t manage close friendships, so they desperately look for a partner instead.

antisthenes 2y ago

FYI, just because you put "unlikely" next to a statement, doesn't really qualify as evidence and/or argument. For example, the first 2, aren't just "unlikely", they are likely, real and documented in multiple accounts. So if you ask a question based on the wrong inputs, you're not going to get the right answer.

0x01DEED 2y ago
I think I am allowed to state my opinion and then ask other people to comment on my opinion. I said "unlikely" because that's my personal experience. Unfortunately no official statistics exist on these topics. If you have relevant data, please do share them!

keybored 2y ago

Assuming perfect monogamy: Person A could be in a relationship for 1/3 of their adult life (freeing up 2/3 for others). Person B could be in a relationship for none. Person A might not qualify for whatever threshold of loneliness.

polotics 2y ago

Demographics is a very interesting subject. The first of many answers to your question is that there is a strong age-related effect: more younger men are lonelier, and more older women are lonelier too. Be very wary of your source when you look into this, the subject is obviously full of red-pill content. Here's a start: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8579390/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8579390/

sungho_ 2y ago

> There's no female loneliness epidemic because some men have multiple female partners (unlikely) Some men definitely have multiple female partners, but it's only not at the same time. This isn't just wordplay. A few men date many women, so many men are single while fewer women are.

JohnFen 2y ago
Some women have multiple partners as well, though. It's not obvious to me that this indicates some sort of imbalance.

mlboss 2y ago

The first statement is not unlikely. Most of the women are only attracted to top 20% of males, but most of the men are attracted to top 80% of females. In previous times a female having multiple partners was shamed upon by society which kept this in check and most of the men got a female partner. Now society no longer shames females to have multiple partner which is causing this divide.

JohnFen 2y ago
> Most of the women are only attracted to top 20% of males, but most of the men are attracted to top 80% of females. I don't think this is remotely true. Do you have a source?
- xethos 2y ago
  They're likely going to cite the OKCupid study, but leave out the part that the study applied to messages, not long-term partners. Polygamy may be on the rise, but not enough to account for the "multiple women per man" theory
- Balgair 2y ago
  The source that OP may be talking about is an OkCupid blog post that got scrubbed when they were bought out by Match. It was about rating the attractiveness of the opposite sex in heterosexual people, I think in Chicago in like 2008 among like 500 users. The end result graph is here: https://www.google.com/imgres?q=okcupid+blog+20+of+females+attractiveness&imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fexternal-preview.redd.it%2FYOkD5U4T5fcf097vw8z4PlPI7ytWIksArJuuWrhX5bA.png%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3D9f3994e3fb2826721eb36b22a4be09f4db5e62f9&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2FOkCupid%2Fcomments%2F5i6m5y%2Fwomen_have_unrealistic_views_of_how_men_look%2F&docid=E0Zhkr3_lnpYUM&tbnid=hNWIesIFH0DQ6M&w=503&h=644&hcb=2 https://www.google.com/imgres?q=okcupid+blog+20+of+females+a... (sorry if that doesn't work) The data is not nearly this simple as OP is stating, as to be expected with such topics. But the underlying idea is women don't mind that they think men are a bit ugly and will date them anyways. In that, women put less of a preference on physical appearances. Again, I've not read that blog post in a few years and I couldn't find the original source of it as Match scrubbed it. If anyone has the blog post, please let us know.

add-sub-mul-div 2y ago

I think if you listen to women you'll find they mention loneliness a lot, maybe what's changed is men are only recently encouraged to discuss emotions, or the media is new to highlighting it. So male loneliness feels novel or disproportionate but it's not necessarily different from women.

mcphage 2y ago

> There's no female loneliness epidemic because some men have multiple female partners (unlikely) This site is so weird about this issue. It's patently false, and yet so many people on this site think it's happening—that a significant percentage of women are satisfied in a relationship where they share a guy with several other women. > Women might be alone but aren't bothered by it—they don't feel lonely (unlikely) This one doesn't seem that unlikely—or maybe they're not as lonely because they have other social structures in place besides a romantic partner? > So, why do only men complain about being lonely? Another possibility: it's not just men that complain about being lonely, but complaints about loneliness from men and women are taken with a different degree of seriousness from media and/or corporations.

JohnFen 2y ago

There is no "male loneliness epidemic". There is absolutely a large increase in loneliness with all genders, though. I think it has a lot to do with the alienation that things like social media bring, and I think that replacing human interaction with AI will make the loneliness trend worse.

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exolymph 2y ago

men have trouble finding women* who want to fuck them women have trouble finding men* who want to wife them *deemed sufficiently attractive