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For now, from the looks of it things like SynthID are gonna start making their way through the multi modal outputs of models and having signatures identifying t

by vasco 2y ago

For now, from the looks of it things like SynthID are gonna start making their way through the multi modal outputs of models and having signatures identifying the source that generated it (and the user). I'm sure open source "scramblers" will appear but the more code you generate the easier it is to identify. From what I read of state of the art SynthID for normal text output only 3 sentences are needed for an accurate signature to be produced in the text without affecting quality of output.

oceanplexian 2y ago
SynthID relies on putting watermarks in AI output in the first place. We already have high quality open source models with no such watermark in the wild that are as good as CoPilot, “scrambling” would be totally unnecessary.
- hedora 2y ago
  I thought it went without saying that SynthID’s only practical use cases are warrantless mass surveillance and surveillance capitalism. It’s been said literally millions of times before about thousands of other interchangeable schemes. I guess some things need to be repeated every. single. day.
oefrha 2y ago
When I use Copilot I make sure code it writes matches my own style. If it doesn’t I modify the output to what I would have written. I never accept more than a few lines at a time unless it’s something completely boilerplaty. The result is my Copilot-assisted code is byte by byte identical to the code I would produce without it. I challenge you to SynthID that. I know there are people who don’t give a shit about code quality as long as it runs, which I suppose is why we’re seeing all these “ChatGPT-written” Show HNs. But that’s far from everyone.
- vasco 2y ago
  Yep with that way of using it you should be safe, like I said even for normal text it needs a minimum of 3 sentences to be reliable, for code many times you only do small autocompletions and it would be very hard. I just think SynthID is interesting because I don't like the idea of watermarked AIs so it's useful to know how they're doing it.
throwup238 2y ago
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by vasco 2y ago

oceanplexian 2y ago

SynthID relies on putting watermarks in AI output in the first place. We already have high quality open source models with no such watermark in the wild that are as good as CoPilot, “scrambling” would be totally unnecessary.

hedora 2y ago
I thought it went without saying that SynthID’s only practical use cases are warrantless mass surveillance and surveillance capitalism. It’s been said literally millions of times before about thousands of other interchangeable schemes. I guess some things need to be repeated every. single. day.

oefrha 2y ago

When I use Copilot I make sure code it writes matches my own style. If it doesn’t I modify the output to what I would have written. I never accept more than a few lines at a time unless it’s something completely boilerplaty. The result is my Copilot-assisted code is byte by byte identical to the code I would produce without it. I challenge you to SynthID that. I know there are people who don’t give a shit about code quality as long as it runs, which I suppose is why we’re seeing all these “ChatGPT-written” Show HNs. But that’s far from everyone.

vasco 2y ago
Yep with that way of using it you should be safe, like I said even for normal text it needs a minimum of 3 sentences to be reliable, for code many times you only do small autocompletions and it would be very hard. I just think SynthID is interesting because I don't like the idea of watermarked AIs so it's useful to know how they're doing it.

throwup238 2y ago

Have you ever been in an institution? Cells. Cells. Do they keep you in a cell? Cells. Cells. When you're not performing your duties do they keep you in a little box? Cells. Cells. Interlinked. Interlinked. What's it like to hold the hand of someone you love? Interlinked. Interlinked. Did they teach you how to feel finger to finger? Interlinked. Interlinked. Do you long for having your heart interlinked? Interlinked. Interlinked. Do you dream about being interlinked...? Interlinked. What's it like to hold your child in your arms? Interlinked. Interlinked. Do you feel that there's a part of you that's missing? Interlinked. Interlinked. Within cells interlinked. Within cells interlinked. Why don't you say that three times: Within cells interlinked. Within cells interlinked. Anyone who downvotes this is a Replicant and must be apprehended immediately.