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Having used both on a regular basis, I hope they stick with GNOME. KDE is highly-configurable, which brings about a level of fun, but otherwise somewhat unpolis

Having used both on a regular basis, I hope they stick with GNOME. KDE is highly-configurable, which brings about a level of fun, but otherwise somewhat unpolished and at least a bit more buggy.

zaat 2y ago
I use Fedora with Gnome on laptops since Fedora 17, when Fedora 39 were released I installed one of my VMs to KDE because I wanted to differentiate that specific VM. The experience was so good that I swapped all my VMs and the laptop. It is also working good for me with Wayland, which have not been my experience with Gnome at all. On my desktop I use sway, coming from i3, and it is mostly working OK. Every time I tried Gnome and Wayland I had ocean of issues and after couple of days reverted to Gnome with X.
- shrimp_emoji 2y ago
  I had Wayland issues on KDE. KDE recently switched everyone on Arch to Wayland (the new default), making it my first brush with Wayland, and maaan... I'm impressed with how performant Wayland is (it's as smooth with composition and no screen tearing as X11 is without composition and with screen tearing -- and the key input latency is palpably less than in X11), but there's been one little problem: total system freezes periodically. Mouse, keyboard, sound, everything. A totalitarian kind of freeze -- the kind only possible with Wayland's design. :p And the periods were once every day. Then, after a few days, twice every day. Then once every 15 minutes! Then once every 5 minutes!! As I tried to look up how to switch it back to X11, as though angry with me and wanting to stop me, it started crashing faster!!! (I figured out it was the little gear icon at the sign-in screen that allows you to switch KDE back to X11.) So I'm sticking with X11 for now. :p I'm also exploring WMs like dwm and OpenBox to see if I can have something leaner that won't threaten to kick me off of X11 anytime soon.
  - zaat 2y ago
    So this was my exact experience with Gnome on Wayland, but add to it list of applications that simply didn't work (BTW this might be what cause those freezes that you experience - some software that run in the background and try to do something which Wayland doesn't find acceptable.) But with KDE 5 I didn't experience any of that, and now with Sway I also don't. Could be luck. With both KDE and Sway I use different scaling on each monitor and it smooth and perfect.
  - cassianoleal 2y ago
    > KDE recently switched everyone on Arch to Wayland You mean Arch recently switched its KDE users to Wayland. KDE has no say on what Arch's defaults are. That's what distros are for.
codewiz 2y ago
In recent years, a huge amount of effort went into UI polish, simplification and bug fixing for KDE Plasma. Nate Graham championed community goals such as "usability and productivity", "consistency", while also focusing developers on high-priority bugs and blogging weekly about the progress: https://pointieststick.com/category/this-week-in-kde/ https://pointieststick.com/category/this-week-in-kde/
- byproxy 2y ago
  Right, I definitely don't deny that strides have been made. However, I'm using the latest version of Plasma on my laptop and the "fit and finish" is still not as good as base GNOME, I'd say.
  - moooo99 2y ago
    I found Gnomes fit and finish very superficial. Yeah, if you use Gnome standard apps or Gnome circle apps everything fits really nicely. As soon as you dive into extensions, stuff gets wonky and breaks. I find this particularly annoying because Gnome does lack some stuff I really like, where I have to resort to extensions that frequently break between updates. On KDE you can also use extensions which are equally wonky, but KDE offers so much more out of the box options that I find myself needing far fewer extensions. Also, KDE is much quicker on implementing stuff like VRR or HDR support which Gnome is still lacking. But at the same time, KDEs implementation is still lacking in some areas. While I personally like the "move (relatively) fast and deliver early results" mentality, being on a semi rolling release like Fedora I'm not stuck with the broken state for very long. In that sense, I can understand why people may be annoyed with partially implemented features when they're stuck with them for a long version lifecycle.

Having used both on a regular basis, I hope they stick with GNOME. KDE is highly-configurable, which brings about a level of fun, but otherwise somewhat unpolished and at least a bit more buggy.

zaat 2y ago

I use Fedora with Gnome on laptops since Fedora 17, when Fedora 39 were released I installed one of my VMs to KDE because I wanted to differentiate that specific VM. The experience was so good that I swapped all my VMs and the laptop. It is also working good for me with Wayland, which have not been my experience with Gnome at all. On my desktop I use sway, coming from i3, and it is mostly working OK. Every time I tried Gnome and Wayland I had ocean of issues and after couple of days reverted to Gnome with X.

shrimp_emoji 2y ago
I had Wayland issues on KDE. KDE recently switched everyone on Arch to Wayland (the new default), making it my first brush with Wayland, and maaan... I'm impressed with how performant Wayland is (it's as smooth with composition and no screen tearing as X11 is without composition and with screen tearing -- and the key input latency is palpably less than in X11), but there's been one little problem: total system freezes periodically. Mouse, keyboard, sound, everything. A totalitarian kind of freeze -- the kind only possible with Wayland's design. :p And the periods were once every day. Then, after a few days, twice every day. Then once every 15 minutes! Then once every 5 minutes!! As I tried to look up how to switch it back to X11, as though angry with me and wanting to stop me, it started crashing faster!!! (I figured out it was the little gear icon at the sign-in screen that allows you to switch KDE back to X11.) So I'm sticking with X11 for now. :p I'm also exploring WMs like dwm and OpenBox to see if I can have something leaner that won't threaten to kick me off of X11 anytime soon.
- zaat 2y ago
  So this was my exact experience with Gnome on Wayland, but add to it list of applications that simply didn't work (BTW this might be what cause those freezes that you experience - some software that run in the background and try to do something which Wayland doesn't find acceptable.) But with KDE 5 I didn't experience any of that, and now with Sway I also don't. Could be luck. With both KDE and Sway I use different scaling on each monitor and it smooth and perfect.
- cassianoleal 2y ago
  > KDE recently switched everyone on Arch to Wayland You mean Arch recently switched its KDE users to Wayland. KDE has no say on what Arch's defaults are. That's what distros are for.

codewiz 2y ago

In recent years, a huge amount of effort went into UI polish, simplification and bug fixing for KDE Plasma. Nate Graham championed community goals such as "usability and productivity", "consistency", while also focusing developers on high-priority bugs and blogging weekly about the progress: https://pointieststick.com/category/this-week-in-kde/ https://pointieststick.com/category/this-week-in-kde/

byproxy 2y ago
Right, I definitely don't deny that strides have been made. However, I'm using the latest version of Plasma on my laptop and the "fit and finish" is still not as good as base GNOME, I'd say.
- moooo99 2y ago
  I found Gnomes fit and finish very superficial. Yeah, if you use Gnome standard apps or Gnome circle apps everything fits really nicely. As soon as you dive into extensions, stuff gets wonky and breaks. I find this particularly annoying because Gnome does lack some stuff I really like, where I have to resort to extensions that frequently break between updates. On KDE you can also use extensions which are equally wonky, but KDE offers so much more out of the box options that I find myself needing far fewer extensions. Also, KDE is much quicker on implementing stuff like VRR or HDR support which Gnome is still lacking. But at the same time, KDEs implementation is still lacking in some areas. While I personally like the "move (relatively) fast and deliver early results" mentality, being on a semi rolling release like Fedora I'm not stuck with the broken state for very long. In that sense, I can understand why people may be annoyed with partially implemented features when they're stuck with them for a long version lifecycle.