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That whole community is really pathetic and depressing at this point. People with their entire life savings holding -80% bags that will never recover, spending

That whole community is really pathetic and depressing at this point. People with their entire life savings holding -80% bags that will never recover, spending their days obsessing over tea leaf divinations of their pending salvation. Please don't encourage this.

forgetfreeman 2y ago
How do you feel about crypto?
all2 2y ago
I'm confused. I own some GME for the lulz. Not for the hopes of making a profit or for some greater cause of justice. Purely for the sake of chuckling and getting laughs from family and friends when the subject comes up.
- mckn1ght 2y ago
  I chuckle about it with family and friends without having bought any shares. It’s not a requirement.
  - lostmsu 2y ago
    It is a requirement from the standpoint of view of the prisoner's dilemma: if no one holds - there's nothing to chuckle about.
- ramesh31 2y ago
  > I own some GME for the lulz. Not for the hopes of making a profit or for some greater cause of justice. Sure, plenty of people do. But those arent the ones making daily /r/Superstonk posts with their crazy-board yarn lines connecting some CNBC article they found from 3 years ago to a cryptic new tweet from an anonymous "insider" about the impending squeeze. A ton of people who knew absolutely nothing about investing lost everything over this, and it's sad to see it play out.
  - forgetfreeman 2y ago
    Is it? Is it sad? There was a time within living memory where the basics of personal finance were taught and it was strongly implied throughout that additional education on the topic was a must-have for any functional adult. At what point did personal accountability go out the window here?
    - kasey_junk 2y ago
      When we replaced pensions for most workers and required them all to become direct market participants without teaching people the basics of how the markets work. My grandmother taught home economics for her whole career including personal finance and I assure you she doesn’t know what a short squeeze is. My grandfather probably didn’t pay a bill or make a budget his entire life, but his heirs are still getting payouts from his benefits. For that matter most of the tech workers I’ve worked with don’t understand how many of their benefits work either (e.g rsu, HSA, backdoor Roth’s, etc). How many startups out there are pitching options as major components of their compensation without even giving their employees the information needed to price them? I think there is a ton of good about moving away from patriarchal relationships between employee benefits and employment, but it’s not at all surprising that it’s had the repercussion that people unprepared for it have been dumped in the deep end. And that it’s deeper than ever and they are drowning.
      - forgetfreeman 2y ago
        I don't disagree with anything you've said here, every point you've made is solid and I couldn't agree more. Where I think we disagree is on the concept of personal responsibility. I maintain that it is every adult's responsibility to acquire whatever information they need to make informed decisions regarding their personal finance. If they opt not to for whatever reason that is absolutely a personal choice they've made. I reject any notion that having exercised their personal agency in this decision they are then victims later when poor outcomes manifest. Investing in an uneducated fashion is the very definition of fucking around, and I'm not prepared to offer up my feels when someone finds out.
jcranmer 2y ago
I thought I knew how bad it was, and then I saw Folding Idea's video on the post-crash meme stock phase here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pYeoZaoWrA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pYeoZaoWrA So, apparently a lot of the people who are still holding onto the stock have engaged in full-on apocalyptic cult insanity. They're under the delusion that the "Mother of All Short Squeezes" hasn't happened yet, and that when it will happen, it will be an absolute financial calamity, as literally all Gamestop stock will be held by "true" holders [1], who can therefore extort any price from the short sellers desperate to buy the stock back to cover the short squeeze, causing the price to hit millions of dollars per share, allowing the true holders comfortable retirement as billionaires. It really is an apocalyptic cult mindset, people seeing themselves as the sufferers who will receive redemption in the imminent apocalypse as their (currently more successful foes) receive absolute punishment at the same time. Although even compared to most apocalyptic prophecies, this one is particularly far-fetched: the means of deliverance is extremely vague, with the closest hint of an idea is essentially that the Big Bad who is currently oppressing them will somehow turn around and reward them handsomely for their perseverance (usually stated with some amount of cognitive dissonance--you get the sense that the adherents don't really believe this, but they need to justify deliverance somehow and there's no better option than this). [1] There's a belief that most of the shares are fake.
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- rsynnott 2y ago
  This is something I'm fascinated by; did this type of financial cult always exist, or is it a new thing? Like, people investing in the South Sea Company had some very silly ideas about it, but they didn't believe it was going to bring around a fundamental restructuring of society or anything. The first manifestation of "if you invest in this, you will become part of the ruling elite in a pseudo-apocalyptic new world order" I can think of is Bitcoin (remember the citadels); the meme stocks seem to have taken that absence of crypto-nonsense and dropped the crypto bit.
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Lionga 2y ago
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forgetfreeman 2y ago

How do you feel about crypto?

all2 2y ago

I'm confused. I own some GME for the lulz. Not for the hopes of making a profit or for some greater cause of justice. Purely for the sake of chuckling and getting laughs from family and friends when the subject comes up.

mckn1ght 2y ago
I chuckle about it with family and friends without having bought any shares. It’s not a requirement.
- lostmsu 2y ago
  It is a requirement from the standpoint of view of the prisoner's dilemma: if no one holds - there's nothing to chuckle about.
ramesh31 2y ago
> I own some GME for the lulz. Not for the hopes of making a profit or for some greater cause of justice. Sure, plenty of people do. But those arent the ones making daily /r/Superstonk posts with their crazy-board yarn lines connecting some CNBC article they found from 3 years ago to a cryptic new tweet from an anonymous "insider" about the impending squeeze. A ton of people who knew absolutely nothing about investing lost everything over this, and it's sad to see it play out.
- forgetfreeman 2y ago
  Is it? Is it sad? There was a time within living memory where the basics of personal finance were taught and it was strongly implied throughout that additional education on the topic was a must-have for any functional adult. At what point did personal accountability go out the window here?
  - kasey_junk 2y ago
    When we replaced pensions for most workers and required them all to become direct market participants without teaching people the basics of how the markets work. My grandmother taught home economics for her whole career including personal finance and I assure you she doesn’t know what a short squeeze is. My grandfather probably didn’t pay a bill or make a budget his entire life, but his heirs are still getting payouts from his benefits. For that matter most of the tech workers I’ve worked with don’t understand how many of their benefits work either (e.g rsu, HSA, backdoor Roth’s, etc). How many startups out there are pitching options as major components of their compensation without even giving their employees the information needed to price them? I think there is a ton of good about moving away from patriarchal relationships between employee benefits and employment, but it’s not at all surprising that it’s had the repercussion that people unprepared for it have been dumped in the deep end. And that it’s deeper than ever and they are drowning.
    - forgetfreeman 2y ago
      I don't disagree with anything you've said here, every point you've made is solid and I couldn't agree more. Where I think we disagree is on the concept of personal responsibility. I maintain that it is every adult's responsibility to acquire whatever information they need to make informed decisions regarding their personal finance. If they opt not to for whatever reason that is absolutely a personal choice they've made. I reject any notion that having exercised their personal agency in this decision they are then victims later when poor outcomes manifest. Investing in an uneducated fashion is the very definition of fucking around, and I'm not prepared to offer up my feels when someone finds out.

jcranmer 2y ago

I thought I knew how bad it was, and then I saw Folding Idea's video on the post-crash meme stock phase here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pYeoZaoWrA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pYeoZaoWrA So, apparently a lot of the people who are still holding onto the stock have engaged in full-on apocalyptic cult insanity. They're under the delusion that the "Mother of All Short Squeezes" hasn't happened yet, and that when it will happen, it will be an absolute financial calamity, as literally all Gamestop stock will be held by "true" holders [1], who can therefore extort any price from the short sellers desperate to buy the stock back to cover the short squeeze, causing the price to hit millions of dollars per share, allowing the true holders comfortable retirement as billionaires. It really is an apocalyptic cult mindset, people seeing themselves as the sufferers who will receive redemption in the imminent apocalypse as their (currently more successful foes) receive absolute punishment at the same time. Although even compared to most apocalyptic prophecies, this one is particularly far-fetched: the means of deliverance is extremely vague, with the closest hint of an idea is essentially that the Big Bad who is currently oppressing them will somehow turn around and reward them handsomely for their perseverance (usually stated with some amount of cognitive dissonance--you get the sense that the adherents don't really believe this, but they need to justify deliverance somehow and there's no better option than this). [1] There's a belief that most of the shares are fake.

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rsynnott 2y ago
This is something I'm fascinated by; did this type of financial cult always exist, or is it a new thing? Like, people investing in the South Sea Company had some very silly ideas about it, but they didn't believe it was going to bring around a fundamental restructuring of society or anything. The first manifestation of "if you invest in this, you will become part of the ruling elite in a pseudo-apocalyptic new world order" I can think of is Bitcoin (remember the citadels); the meme stocks seem to have taken that absence of crypto-nonsense and dropped the crypto bit.
- ramesh31 2y ago

Lionga 2y ago

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