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Curious how many who bought a Vision Pro are still using it? My bet based on the success of Meta's RayBan Smartglasses Apple will be releasing their version in
by paul7986 2y ago
Curious how many who bought a Vision Pro are still using it?
My bet based on the success of Meta's RayBan Smartglasses Apple will be releasing their version in the next year or two. If you wear sunglasses and like / do take a good amount of photos/videos daily Meta's Rayban is a great solid and very useful product! I use them daily since buying them in October. This is a mass product like Apple Watch and personally per my use I think the next iPhone.
Vision Pro as of today is not a mass product yet they are trying to work towards getting to that point. Though today it's a mixed bag of features that do not enhance daily life much and or make things we already do easier.. Meta's RayBans do just that and more.
- r053bud 2y agoMy 2 cents which is likely totally wrong: My theory is contingent on two assumptions (again they could be wrong) 1. Tim Cook is looking for a legacy product. His own chance at “one more thing” 2. Apple is currently often behind the innovator. Its goal is to improve and perfect consumer technology; recently rarely leading the charge themselves I think we are in an interesting “local minimum” of technology. It’s been a while since we have seen a completely groundbreaking product that changes the landscape of the industry. Every tech company is searching for the next product to help grow revenue. LLMs are the current hotness, but previously it was briefly VR thanks to Meta. Apple probably started the process of making the AVP once Zuck pivoted to making Meta a “VR Company”. Since this was a flash in the pan interest (for anyone other than VR enthusiasts), and Apple had yet to bring a product to market, they had to pivot from entertainment to “productivity” as the main use-case of the device. That’s where “spacial computing” was born. Since Tim Cook was searching for his legacy product, and because the Apple vision pro is legitimately impressive, they decided to move ahead with releasing it despite there being no market fit. My guess is we never see another version of the AVP and probably never hear about it again. I’m most likely totally wrong, but I wanted to share my prediction.
- packetlost 2y agoMy personal hope is someone can figure out how to make reasonable HUD-like smart glasses with the new innovations in transparent OLED technology. It doesn't need a camera or microphone, just provide the missing always-on visual experience (we already have headphones with very good transparency) and integrate with the various other devices we have. The trouble will be the UI, though IMO you don't really need to interact with it directly, let it be an extension of the phone/watch/etc.
- wongarsu 2y agoSo basically Google Glass with modern technology and without the social issues of having a camera pointed at everyone you talk to? I imagine it would be very successful if it's marketed as a sports product. See your current heart rate and movement speed without taking your eyes from the track, that kind of stuff.
- Jcowell 2y agoHow would you interact with a HUD system if you can dismiss and activate HUD elements ? For the last sentence, at that point why not just interface with the watch and phone themselves if you’re already going to have to look at them to interact
- asadotzler 2y agoThis is more correct than any speculation I've read on HN. h Cook desperately wants to be seen as more than a caretaker post-Jobs. His only success so far is making stockholders happy but "Best Bean Counter Ever" isn't an epitaph he wants so he's plowed tens of billions of dollars into the now dead Apple Car project and tens of billions into the Vision Pro. Cook's plan was for one or both of those products to cement his legacy as a product genius like Steve Jobs, but despite having cash resources Jobs could never even have dreamed, Cook's two big product initiatives are both a complete bust. The board made him pick between the Car and the Vision Pro and he picked the AVP because it was closer to market and aligned with his view on Apple's computing platform progression. Too bad for him both of his projects were awful ideas for Apple. Oh, and to the sycophants, Apple cranking out couple of successful iPhone accessories and services, nice to haves that compliment Steve Job's iPhone, does not make Tim Cook a product leader. It makes him minimally competent as business leader who didn't totally break Job's Apple organization immediately. Watch and Air Pods are accessories, like a keyboard or a monitor. No one celebrates Jobs because he shipped a decent mouse one time.
- threeseed 2y ago> Tim Cook is looking for a legacy product You mean like the Apple Watch or AirPods which launched years after he became CEO. Or how about the Services business which is now 20% of their revenue.
- refulgentis 2y agoWe won't be able to confirm this, but dollars to doughnuts, Apple sold at least 2x Facebook Ray-Bans. this is solely vibes-based thinking .
- paul7986 2y agoApple sold more vision pro(s) then Meta sold of their RayBans your saying? No official numbers from Facebook rather speculation of up to a million have been sold. Also as the majority of those who review meta's raybans share the same positive thoughts /experience of my own. It's just a ton easier to take pics and videos overall and especially when driving (hey Meta take a pic).
- xvector 2y agoThe Ray-Ban Metas are actually amazing, I am surprised they are not more popular! They've completely changed vacations for me. No longer do I have to look at <event> through my phone. I can be much more present - I can see it with my actual eyes and just be confident that the memory will be captured. The image/video quality is quite good. The audio quality is also surprisingly good - I can listen to music while still enjoying the nature around me (in a way I like more than passthrough on the AirPods.) I don't really care for the AI, but maybe one day they'll give us Llama 3 400b and it'll be good too.
- wsc981 2y ago> No longer do I have to look at <event> through my phone. To be honest, you’ve never had to enjoy <event> through the phone. Many people have enjoyed <event> without having a phone, especially prior to the arrival of mobile phones. And perhaps for the better. To be more in the moment.
- wkat4242 2y agoYeah and how much do you actually look back? I don't really ever.
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- khazhoux 2y agoI expected mine to gather dust. Instead, I am using it all the time to watch shows and movies. Before the AVP, I actually watched very few movies the last several years. But the viewing experience is so amazing with the Vision Pro, I can’t get enough and I’m catching up like crazy.
- r053bud 2y agoHow many people are in your household? If multiple individuals, do you share TV/movie interests. Do you watch by yourself while they watch something different? I’m interested in learning more from users who are super happy with the product.
- khazhoux 2y agoI have a family, but I’m only user of the AVP. The most delightful thing is watching 30 mins in bed before sleep. Just me in front of a gigantic cinema screen floating above me, with my airpods so it’s completely silent.
- afavour 2y agoWhat were you previously doing with the time you’re now spending watching?
- khazhoux 2y agoIt’s replaced gaming + random youtube :-)
- dangus 2y agoI’m wondering in what way that’s different than buying yourself a 65” OLED TV with an expensive surround sound system and then making yourself watch movies to justify the many dollars of investment. It almost seems like an accident that the product is notable and gets use.
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- paxys 2y agoThese days Apple has a huge software problem when it comes to their new products. No matter how good they make the Vision Pro, there's ultimately very little people can actually do on it. The operating system is more limited than iOS or iPad OS. There are no games. No porn. In fact the most touted feature (using it as an external display for your Macbook) is mostly an afterthought. It doesn't have passthrough audio. You can't control the mouse with it. Can't type text. Can't break out and spatially arrange your laptop's windows. So what's even the point?
- wkat4242 2y ago> No porn. This is in fact a huge oversight in my opinion. As usual Apple's prudishness is limiting them from allowing it but unlike the quest there isn't a side load option either. You're limited to web-based offerings only (and strangely enough WebXR support is not great on the AVP). The experience will be hamstrung by not being able to offer a native app. And let's be honest, this tech is a game changer for porn. There's a platform called sexlikereal for quest that's doing videos and the immersion makes it way more realistic. You can even couple it with synchronised toys. And this is only video, real 3D content would be even more immersive as you could even move around inside the scene. You can ignore it or not but SexTech is an emerging market especially in Europe where we have a more open minded stance towards such things. The swinger and poly community is ever growing. It's a shame Apple is selling themselves short by avoiding a category where AR/VR tech has a huge added value.
- jml78 2y agoUmm I don’t know where this impression comes from outside of the first two weeks of release. You can’t release a porn only app but…… Moon player can play any VR content including YouTube 360 and VR porn if that is your desire
- wkat4242 2y agoYeah of course, Apple also doesn't block you from recording your own porn. But using those apps is more of a workaround than a real first class citizen. Some things that are probably still missing is passthrough (seeing the model cut out of the scene in your environment) and toy integration (I don't have a vision pro so I can't check) But movies isn't really the end game. It's much nicer than 2D porn but it's still very limited because you can't influence the action or move around. Having real interactive 3D content would be another big step that isn't currently possible with apple's restrictions. There's isn't much yet but some is already happening on the pcvr side. I just lament that this isn't being viewed as having the huge potential I know it has.
- dangus 2y ago1. I don’t see how this product is related at all. Sunglasses with a camera and headphones is just that: sunglasses with a camera and headphones. 2. It’s funny to describe the Vision Pro as a “Mixed bag of features” compared to a pair of sunglasses that randomly has a camera and headphones. If that isn’t a mixed bag I don’t know what is. For the record I think the ray bans and Vision Pro both suck.
- lannisterstark 2y agoI'd hard disagree. I use the Metas all the time and they're incredibly useful, especially to ask quick questions re:plants or what not and then taking impromptu photos of kids and pets etc that are camera shy.
- wkat4242 2y ago> and then taking impromptu photos of kids and pets etc that are camera shy. This is the thing I hate about those. It normalises nonconsensual photography.
- lannisterstark 2y agoThey're my kids and pets. Problem is that they are not 'don't take my photos' but rather 'oh look what are you holding I am going to focus on that.'
- wkat4242 2y agoI understand. But for every one of you there's 5 glassholes thinking it's great fun secretly recording people in public places and posting it on tiktok. This is why everyone hated on google glass. Which had a much more noticeable camera than the ray-bans. I have one myself (the glass, I 3D printed a camera cover for it).
- lannisterstark 2y agoI mean, I get it. But I don't think they do anything that "phone in hand discreetly tilted near chest/stomach" doesn't do. If anything this has a recording light, and I can use both my hands :P Essentially a miniature goPro strapped to my eyes. >recording people in public places Honestly at this point if I am in public I just assume someone (or something - cctv's everywhere) is recording me at all times.
- samatman 2y agoI'm not seeing the connection between a hefty VR headset with AR passthrough, and a camera you wear on your face. It also seems extremely unlikely to me that a camera you wear on your face will be the next smartphone. Technologies which change society to that degree are rare. I do believe you when you say it's a great product. I like my Wayfarers and have been tempted to pick up a pair that is also a camera I can wear on my face. I've seen the Metas, they don't cut quite as sharp a profile but the effect is unobtrusive and stylish. I don't get what it has to do with VR headsets though.
- paul7986 2y agoThe vision pros end goal is to shrink it down into glasses form so then you're wearing an iPhone on your face ... There are so many things that then can be created and will make millions and millions want to buy smart glasses. Meta has created such Glasses… For 2024… They are version .5… That make taking pictures much easier than getting out your phone for those who wear sunglasses. How many people wear sunglasses how many people take pictures every day with their phone?… I'd say billions
- wkat4242 2y agoMeta's are more like version .01, they don't even have a display of any kind.
- paul7986 2y agoEither way Meta's Smartglasses are a great & very useful product. It makes things we already do I.e. pics/videos easier & more fun. Also taking calls & listening to music which ppl now pay tons for AirPods to just do those two things. AirPods I've always found uncomfortable..wearing glasses has never been uncomfortable. Recently Meta pushed out updates to the glasses where you can ask the glasses.. Hey Meta what am I looking at and it will audibly tell you. Also I can take video calls now where viewer sees what I see.. like me driving. Overall tho in terms of a good smart glasses UX do I need a bunch of distracting visuals to be seen ...maybe a few here and there & at the right time or when I command such but not an overload especially when driving.
- urda 2y agoUsing my daily! Works amazing as a media consumption device, and pairs so well with my Macbook Pro. I love having a floating space with my freeform boards and notes as I see fit. I went from having a big second monitor setup, to just putting the vision on with my mac.
- piva00 2y agoUsing VR as an "endless" virtual monitor is one feature I've been looking for since I started using multimonitors setups. Just don't think I want to spend US$ 3.5k on that but if it ever comes to a price tag around US$ 1-1.5k I'd snatch it easily. Spent more than that on my current screens.
- dannyobrien 2y agoI actually had a reason to not use my AVP for about six weeks (a shoulder injury) and noticed how excited I was to return to it (primarily for "productivity" reasons). That said, I also used the Quest 2 for much longer than I expected, and it started gathering dust long before I switched the AVP.
- rvz 2y ago> Curious how many who bought a Vision Pro are still using it? Little to no-one. The minority of those who bought it are preparing to sell it and the majority of those who bought one already sold it with in the 14 day window. Unsurprisingly predicted, it comes as to no surprise that the Vision Pro performed worse in sales and they had to cut production due to low demand. Vision Pro was for the techies, early adopters and Apple fans. Not for the general public as I said before in [0]. Wait until the non-pro version of Apple Vision. To downvoters: If the Apple Vision Pro was such a glamorous success then why are they cutting shipments for 2024 due to low demand then? [1][2] [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40137447 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40137447 [1] https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/23/24138487/apple-vision-pro-cut-shipment-forecast-kuo-rumor https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/23/24138487/apple-vision-pro... [2] https://www.ft.com/content/b6f06bde-17b0-4886-b465-b561212c96a9 https://www.ft.com/content/b6f06bde-17b0-4886-b465-b561212c9...
- zaptrem 2y agoLooks like they have exactly the same production target now they had in July of last year: https://www.reuters.com/technology/apple-forced-make-cuts-vision-pro-production-plans-ft-2023-07-03/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/apple-forced-make-cuts-vi... "The report said Chinese contract manufacturer Luxshare, Apple's only assembler of the device, was preparing to make fewer than 400,000 units of Vision Pro in 2024"
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