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> "People realised that they do like being around their families, and it gave many a sense of freedom" I want to spend more time with my family and not have as

> "People realised that they do like being around their families, and it gave many a sense of freedom" I want to spend more time with my family and not have as many responsibilities, better start a startup.

throwup238 2y ago
I misread that quote as “they do not like” three times before it clicked. It made a lot more sense then…
cs702 2y ago
Hahahaha. They will learn a lesson that can be learned in no other way.[a] Regardless, all this entrepreneurial activity is great news for the country! --- [a] With apologies to Mark Twain: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/8006482-a-man-who-carries-a-cat-by-the-tail-learns https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/8006482-a-man-who-carries-a...
siva7 2y ago
Start a startup and see your marriage break apart
- withinboredom 2y ago
  This is not true, unless you are putting more into your startup than your marriage. It's priorities. My marriage and child is always more important than money and chasing an idea.
  - grugagag 2y ago
    > My marriage and child is always more important than money and chasing an idea Startups are very demanding on time and attention resources. Families with children would feel the strain of absent parents. It could work out in some cases but for the general case it’s not the best idea.
    - withinboredom 2y ago
      Just to put this into perspective, as the oldest child of 4 kids, and now a parent, I’ve constantly lived with competing priorities pretty much my whole life. I’ve always made time to be there when they need me. It’s surprising how understanding people are when you explain why you need to move a meeting (in case of emergencies), but usually, just blocking time in your calendar as “important meeting” does the trick. If you have someone managing your schedule, make sure they know that nothing goes there, ever. If you have to travel, take a couple days before/after and bring your family; see the city. Even ask whomever you’re meeting where to go. More often than not, you’ll spend some time with them because people want to show off their city, which just makes it that much easier to sell when it comes time to do so.
    - withinboredom 2y ago
      Um. Just don't do that? As with everything, this is a choice you make but nobody is holding a gun to your head forcing you to be absent in your family.
- gcheong 2y ago
  Get your spouse onboard before you start?
- obiefernandez 2y ago
  Start a startup with your spouse.
  - octopoc 2y ago
    This. It's great to have a hot secretary. ... Okay seriously this can work but it will really force you to work on your communication skills. Which is probably a good thing anyway, for both the business and the relationship, but it's very challenging.
    - Saulivar 2y ago
      Not recommended. Did that and now we are having huge fights about serious stuff. Like Facebook ads and marketing copy -:)
jackcosgrove 2y ago
Freedom does not necessarily mean a lack of responsibilities. For someone who starts their own company I imagine it means not having a boss.
ryandrake 2y ago
I got a chuckle out of that too, but then I thought: Wait--why do we simply accept that starting a business should mean sacrificing one's family or freedom? I mean, if it's an actual, viable business, shouldn't one be able to just do it from 9 to 5 like it's a normal job? Why does every startup have to be this heroic herculean effort against all odds that requires 140 hour work weeks and employees with no lives? Maybe a startup that requires that much effort is really not a viable business and requires that much just to prop it up and keep it going? But, then I can't find any examples of startups that just operated as normal, chill businesses from day one. So, maybe it just does have to be that way.
- gottorf 2y ago
  > maybe it just does have to be that way I think going from nothing to something will always be that difficult.
- MattGaiser 2y ago
  > But, then I can't find any examples of startups that just operated as normal, chill businesses from day one. They wouldn’t grow big. But there are plenty, from the neighbourhood plumber to the daycare to the modest insurance outfit that keeps being sold from person to person as they retire. High demand, so little initial grinding for clients. High demand also means standards aren’t high. People can’t be that picky about daycare or plumbers these days.
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- kevinmchugh 2y ago
  > if it's an actual, viable business Maybe one in ten vc backed startups will find a viable business model eventually. If you don't take vc money maybe it's easier to find a smaller viable business, but then it's harder to pay yourself.
  - ajmurmann 2y ago
    There is a huge range of profitability that would be incredible for a founder who owns all our the best majority of the company, but a failure for most VCs. I don't know VC finance enough to say where the upper limit is, but I'm pretty sure several million $ profit per year still is in that range.
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throwup238 2y ago

I misread that quote as “they do not like” three times before it clicked. It made a lot more sense then…

cs702 2y ago

Hahahaha. They will learn a lesson that can be learned in no other way.[a] Regardless, all this entrepreneurial activity is great news for the country! --- [a] With apologies to Mark Twain: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/8006482-a-man-who-carries-a-cat-by-the-tail-learns https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/8006482-a-man-who-carries-a...

siva7 2y ago

Start a startup and see your marriage break apart

withinboredom 2y ago
This is not true, unless you are putting more into your startup than your marriage. It's priorities. My marriage and child is always more important than money and chasing an idea.
- grugagag 2y ago
  > My marriage and child is always more important than money and chasing an idea Startups are very demanding on time and attention resources. Families with children would feel the strain of absent parents. It could work out in some cases but for the general case it’s not the best idea.
  - withinboredom 2y ago
    Just to put this into perspective, as the oldest child of 4 kids, and now a parent, I’ve constantly lived with competing priorities pretty much my whole life. I’ve always made time to be there when they need me. It’s surprising how understanding people are when you explain why you need to move a meeting (in case of emergencies), but usually, just blocking time in your calendar as “important meeting” does the trick. If you have someone managing your schedule, make sure they know that nothing goes there, ever. If you have to travel, take a couple days before/after and bring your family; see the city. Even ask whomever you’re meeting where to go. More often than not, you’ll spend some time with them because people want to show off their city, which just makes it that much easier to sell when it comes time to do so.
  - withinboredom 2y ago
    Um. Just don't do that? As with everything, this is a choice you make but nobody is holding a gun to your head forcing you to be absent in your family.
gcheong 2y ago
Get your spouse onboard before you start?
obiefernandez 2y ago
Start a startup with your spouse.
- octopoc 2y ago
  This. It's great to have a hot secretary. ... Okay seriously this can work but it will really force you to work on your communication skills. Which is probably a good thing anyway, for both the business and the relationship, but it's very challenging.
  - Saulivar 2y ago
    Not recommended. Did that and now we are having huge fights about serious stuff. Like Facebook ads and marketing copy -:)

jackcosgrove 2y ago

Freedom does not necessarily mean a lack of responsibilities. For someone who starts their own company I imagine it means not having a boss.

ryandrake 2y ago

I got a chuckle out of that too, but then I thought: Wait--why do we simply accept that starting a business should mean sacrificing one's family or freedom? I mean, if it's an actual, viable business, shouldn't one be able to just do it from 9 to 5 like it's a normal job? Why does every startup have to be this heroic herculean effort against all odds that requires 140 hour work weeks and employees with no lives? Maybe a startup that requires that much effort is really not a viable business and requires that much just to prop it up and keep it going? But, then I can't find any examples of startups that just operated as normal, chill businesses from day one. So, maybe it just does have to be that way.

gottorf 2y ago
> maybe it just does have to be that way I think going from nothing to something will always be that difficult.
MattGaiser 2y ago
> But, then I can't find any examples of startups that just operated as normal, chill businesses from day one. They wouldn’t grow big. But there are plenty, from the neighbourhood plumber to the daycare to the modest insurance outfit that keeps being sold from person to person as they retire. High demand, so little initial grinding for clients. High demand also means standards aren’t high. People can’t be that picky about daycare or plumbers these days.
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kevinmchugh 2y ago
> if it's an actual, viable business Maybe one in ten vc backed startups will find a viable business model eventually. If you don't take vc money maybe it's easier to find a smaller viable business, but then it's harder to pay yourself.
- ajmurmann 2y ago
  There is a huge range of profitability that would be incredible for a founder who owns all our the best majority of the company, but a failure for most VCs. I don't know VC finance enough to say where the upper limit is, but I'm pretty sure several million $ profit per year still is in that range.

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