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> And that many common chronic disorders/illnesses (including ADHD, Autism, weight gain, etc) in our generation are actually attributable to a disfunctioning mi

by squigz 3y ago

> And that many common chronic disorders/illnesses (including ADHD, Autism, weight gain, etc) in our generation are actually attributable to a disfunctioning microbiome All of those things have existed for ... ever

r3trohack3r 3y ago
They have. But I do not believe they were as common prior to the 1960s as they are in the 2020s.
- squigz 3y ago
  Do you have data to inform that belief?
  - r3trohack3r 3y ago
    https://www.econstor.eu/bitstream/10419/80491/1/cesifo_wp4366.pdf https://www.econstor.eu/bitstream/10419/80491/1/cesifo_wp436... https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37156255/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37156255/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9947250/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9947250/
- superb_dev 3y ago
  Were they less common, or unknown/heavily stigmatized?
  - TylerE 3y ago
    Another confounding variable is that we got so much better at testing many things that we have people living long enough to clearly manifest problems that may not have decades or centuries ago. Sort of like how a big part of the increase in cancer deaths are people living long enough to die of cancer.
- yareal 3y ago
  In the 1960s you had to learn to mask your differences or you would suffer violence directed at you. We used to beat kids for not behaving in the ways we expect. Get enough beatings, you learn to hide the thing that gets you beat. I'm not at all convinced it was less common back then, just more hidden.
  - deleted 2y ago
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asdfman123 3y ago
That's absolutely not true. Diabetes for instance used to be extremely rare and limited to the elites. And, for instance, ADHD probably isn't a disorder if you live a very simple life and do manual labor all day. No hyperactivity, no DMV appointments, and your life is decided for you. Remember, all the lines are drawn arbitrarily and something is labeled a disorder when it doesn't work with our (very strange) modern world. Can't comment on autism though, and this is not directly about micro biome obviously.
- cja 3y ago
  "ADHD probably isn't a disorder if you live a very simple life and do manual labor all day" Why?
  - Kirth 3y ago
    Because physical activity and menial work that allows the mind some down time are effective ways to reduce ADHD symptoms.
  - asdfman123 3y ago
    A lot of exercise increases focus and reduces fidgetiness. Also, if there's fewer things to keep track of and less everyday choices to make, it's easier. I have ADHD bad but it virtually goes away while backpacking for reasons I described.
- ikiris 3y ago
  Because they died... This is like reading that seatbelts cause head injuries.

by squigz 3y ago

r3trohack3r 3y ago

They have. But I do not believe they were as common prior to the 1960s as they are in the 2020s.

squigz 3y ago
Do you have data to inform that belief?
- r3trohack3r 3y ago
  https://www.econstor.eu/bitstream/10419/80491/1/cesifo_wp4366.pdf https://www.econstor.eu/bitstream/10419/80491/1/cesifo_wp436... https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37156255/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37156255/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9947250/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9947250/
superb_dev 3y ago
Were they less common, or unknown/heavily stigmatized?
- TylerE 3y ago
  Another confounding variable is that we got so much better at testing many things that we have people living long enough to clearly manifest problems that may not have decades or centuries ago. Sort of like how a big part of the increase in cancer deaths are people living long enough to die of cancer.
yareal 3y ago
In the 1960s you had to learn to mask your differences or you would suffer violence directed at you. We used to beat kids for not behaving in the ways we expect. Get enough beatings, you learn to hide the thing that gets you beat. I'm not at all convinced it was less common back then, just more hidden.
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]

asdfman123 3y ago

That's absolutely not true. Diabetes for instance used to be extremely rare and limited to the elites. And, for instance, ADHD probably isn't a disorder if you live a very simple life and do manual labor all day. No hyperactivity, no DMV appointments, and your life is decided for you. Remember, all the lines are drawn arbitrarily and something is labeled a disorder when it doesn't work with our (very strange) modern world. Can't comment on autism though, and this is not directly about micro biome obviously.

cja 3y ago
"ADHD probably isn't a disorder if you live a very simple life and do manual labor all day" Why?
- Kirth 3y ago
  Because physical activity and menial work that allows the mind some down time are effective ways to reduce ADHD symptoms.
- asdfman123 3y ago
  A lot of exercise increases focus and reduces fidgetiness. Also, if there's fewer things to keep track of and less everyday choices to make, it's easier. I have ADHD bad but it virtually goes away while backpacking for reasons I described.
ikiris 3y ago
Because they died... This is like reading that seatbelts cause head injuries.