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Their privacy angle is 100% the reason they haven't managed to make a decent LLM. To make a decent LLM you need to ignore data protection and throw all availab

Their privacy angle is 100% the reason they haven't managed to make a decent LLM. To make a decent LLM you need to ignore data protection and throw all available text into a huge model. If your morals don't let you do that, then you can't make your own LLM.

gumby271 2y ago
But you can partner with a 3rd party to submit all that text to, and pretend your still privacy conscience? Pretty sure people would rather Apple build a first party server based option than partner with anyone else. When it's Apple violating privacy people are more chill about it.
- timr 2y ago
  Or you get the model and host it on your own hardware. The sort of thing an Apple might be able to do.
dns_snek 2y ago
> If your morals don't let you do that, then you can't make your own LLM. You're reaching, a lot. Apple is more privacy-friendly than most companies at the moment - no argument there, but they still sell your privacy on the web to Google in exchange for a 36% cut of advertising revenue [1] which amounts to ~$20 billion [2], or a rather petty amount of ~$10/device [3]. These same "morals" also allow them to hand over data on all Chinese citizens to the CCP, among countless other privacy-destroying compromises they have to make in order to profit from the Chinese market [4] [1] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/11/google-witness-accidentally-blurts-out-that-apple-gets-36-cut-of-safari-deal/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/11/google-witness-a... [2] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-01/google-s-payments-to-apple-reached-20-billion-in-2022-cue-says https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-01/google-s-... (https://archive.is/oPg1C https://archive.is/oPg1C) [3] https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/2/23583501/apple-iphone-ipad-active-2-billion-devices-q1-2023 https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/2/23583501/apple-iphone-ipad... [4] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/17/technology/apple-china-censorship-data.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/17/technology/apple-china-ce... (https://archive.is/MQmY7 https://archive.is/MQmY7)

gumby271 2y ago

But you can partner with a 3rd party to submit all that text to, and pretend your still privacy conscience? Pretty sure people would rather Apple build a first party server based option than partner with anyone else. When it's Apple violating privacy people are more chill about it.

timr 2y ago
Or you get the model and host it on your own hardware. The sort of thing an Apple might be able to do.

dns_snek 2y ago

> If your morals don't let you do that, then you can't make your own LLM. You're reaching, a lot. Apple is more privacy-friendly than most companies at the moment - no argument there, but they still sell your privacy on the web to Google in exchange for a 36% cut of advertising revenue [1] which amounts to ~$20 billion [2], or a rather petty amount of ~$10/device [3]. These same "morals" also allow them to hand over data on all Chinese citizens to the CCP, among countless other privacy-destroying compromises they have to make in order to profit from the Chinese market [4] [1] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/11/google-witness-accidentally-blurts-out-that-apple-gets-36-cut-of-safari-deal/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/11/google-witness-a... [2] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-01/google-s-payments-to-apple-reached-20-billion-in-2022-cue-says https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-01/google-s-... (https://archive.is/oPg1C https://archive.is/oPg1C) [3] https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/2/23583501/apple-iphone-ipad-active-2-billion-devices-q1-2023 https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/2/23583501/apple-iphone-ipad... [4] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/17/technology/apple-china-censorship-data.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/17/technology/apple-china-ce... (https://archive.is/MQmY7 https://archive.is/MQmY7)