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I will eat anything that isn't in obvious danger of killing me but my wife comes from a family that treats dates as gospel, that (in accordance with FDA guidanc
by jonahbenton 2y ago
I will eat anything that isn't in obvious danger of killing me but my wife comes from a family that treats dates as gospel, that (in accordance with FDA guidance) at events will get stressed about food being left out for more than an hour, etc. Those people exist, and in fact they are everywhere.
- tharkun__ 2y agoThis. Actually I'd ask your parent poster back: there are people that believe most people don't treat BB dates as "will turn bad exactly on this date"?
- terribleperson 2y agoHonestly, I am way more concerned about food being left out than sell-by/best by dates. The harm that can result from leaving food out is well-established. Sell-by dates? We're basically taking the manufacturer's word for it, as if they're somehow impartial here.
- tech_ken 2y agoYeah actually I’m with you on this. Not for everything, but there are definitely food items I won’t try to save after ex. putting them out for a party (like if a dairy based dip has been at room temp for more than 1-2 hours it’s not going back in my fridge).
- terribleperson 2y agoRice is one I pay close attention to. When I get takeout from my favorite Taiwanese restaurant, I usually throw away the rice they give me and cook my own (it's a bit of a drive back to my place). Of course I then keep it warm in my rice maker for 24 hours, but supposedly that's safe in this Zojirushi.
- stoperaticless 2y agoPlease ask them not to add rice if you plan to throw it away. Thanks :)
- terribleperson 2y agoYeah, I will. I actually had that thought when writing that post. If it helps, they provide rather small portions of rice.
- fragmede 2y agothat's unnecessarily wasteful
- terribleperson 2y agoI agree. I will ask them to leave it off future to go orders.
- brabel 2y agoWhat's the deal with rice? I come from a culture we eat a lot of rice. You can keep rice in the fridge for nearly a week. The only time I throw away rice is if it has visible fungus on it.
- MikeDelta 2y agoThe problem is with cooked rice that hasn't been cooled off properly (or not kept hot enough). The heat-resistant spores of the Bacillus Cereus will then develop and the bacteria will proliferate and produce a heat-resistant toxin, which can hurt you even after reheating the leftover rice. You need to keep your rice cold (<7 °C) or hot (>63 °C) enough for the spores not to develop. Letting your rice cool off naturally in a pot is also leaving it at the wrong temperatures for a longer time than if you rapidly cool it off. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7913059/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7913059/
- mikesabat 2y agoI was strongly under the impression that medications with expiration dates do not become dangerous after their expiration, but they may be less effective. That turns out to be wrong according to the FDA website. https://www.fda.gov/drugs/special-features/dont-be-tempted-use-expired-medicines https://www.fda.gov/drugs/special-features/dont-be-tempted-u... Either way, the tylenol in my cabinet expired in 2014 and I'm doing fine.
- rconti 2y agoyeah, I haven't really thought twice about taking, say, ibuprofen that's 20 years expired. It's good for a laugh, that's about all the critical thought I put into the label.
- tetromino_ 2y agoIn my experience, ibuprofen/advil in an unsealed bottle that's over a year past expiration date simply doesn't work well. You may need 2-3 pills of the expired stuff in a situation where 1 pill of unexpired would be sufficient. This makes it in practice hard to pick a dose which is safe but effective. After enough such annoyances, I have started consistently throwing out expired Ibuprofen.
- hahajk 2y agoThat article basically says the same - that they're less effective after a time (and if you're trying to save your life with them, less effective could mean deadly) It does try to suggest that "there could be bacteria growth", but the article hedges and seems like it barely believes that itself. I'm sure some of the syrups could grow bacteria possibly.
- joecool1029 2y ago> I was strongly under the impression that medications with expiration dates do not become dangerous after their expiration, but they may be less effective. A few like tetracyclines can become dangerous, apparently that's caused Fanconi syndrome and other kidney problems in a few cases. But that drug is the exception rather than the norm, but since I used to keep doxycycline around for treating Lyme I made sure it was stored in a cool/dry area and never got too far past the expired date. Aspirin is a pretty easy one to tell if it's past its prime, it'll smell like vinegar as it decays into acetic acid. This falls into the 'loses its potency' category where the thing it decays into isn't harmful.
- User23 2y agoMeanwhile when I grew up we’d cover cooked leftovers, including meat, leave it out, and eat it the next day. I never got food poisoning.
- Turing_Machine 2y agoDo you live in a cool climate, or maybe always had air conditioning? Some things will definitely go off if you leave them unrefrigerated for a day in a hot climate.
- mixmastamyk 2y agoA cooked dish was sterilized. It won’t go bad for a day or three, depending on how often it is opened. Before refrigeration this was very common.
- sunshinesnacks 2y agoSounds risky to me. I’ve never needed a seat belt or bike helmet, but I still use both.
- adamomada 2y agoDoesn’t that prove the opposite though? One in a million+ meals might make you sick, that’s not risky
- medstrom 2y agoIf that meal makes you deadly sick, yeah it's risky.
- sunshinesnacks 2y agoCDC estimates 48 million cases of foodborne illness per year in the US [0]. That works out to something like 1 case in 10,000 meals. Maintaining proper temperature of cooked food is part of basic food safety. Right up there with having people that prepare food wash their hands. Basic food safety. So no, a random anecdote does not prove the opposite. I don’t want to be snarky, but I can’t believe people are implying that basic food safety guidelines are disproven. Edit to add: from the same CDC link, 128,000 people in the US are hospitalized from food borne illness and 3,000 die. I’m fine with someone choosing to ignore this for their own food. But please don’t make it sound like there’s no risk. [0] https://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/food-poisoning.html https://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/food-poisoning.html