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It's not clear to me what the deal is supposed to be about. Isn't it expected that Stackoverflow questions and answers can be used by anybody including to train

by lolc 2y ago

It's not clear to me what the deal is supposed to be about. Isn't it expected that Stackoverflow questions and answers can be used by anybody including to train models? If Stackoverflow is trying to make exclusive deals with Openai, that is against the collaborative spirit of the platform, and I will stop contributing. After all, Openai is charging people for service. If Openai are the only ones given access, Stackoverflow becomes a gatekeeper, peddling my contributions. It'll beget a fork.

mort96 2y ago
It's shitty to take content under an attribution license like the CC-BY-SA license SO uses and pour it into a soup of linear algebra where the content remains but all attribution is lost.
coldpie 2y ago
> Isn't it expected that Stackoverflow questions and answers can be used by anybody including to train models? I don't think so. Content contributed to SO gets licensed under CC-BY-SA, no? How do these AI models respect the "BY" portion of that license? How do we enforce the "SA" portion of the license on people who use the output of the model? The answer is they don't, but the big companies decided violating copyright is OK so long as they do it all at once, because there's a lot of money to be made if you ignore copyright. Personally I'd be OK with a compromise where any entity that creates or uses an AI trained on copyrighted data forfeits copyright on all of their own works (not just those created by AI, all of their works).
throwaway290 2y ago
> Isn't it expected that Stackoverflow questions and answers can be used by anybody including to train models? CC ShareAlike requires attribution + derivative works to be shared under the same license. ClosedAI is absolutely in the wrong here.
add-sub-mul-div 2y ago
> It's not clear to me what the deal is supposed to be about. AI is unpopular and makes this an unpopular move, enough so to cause this drama. It's really not any more complicated than that.

by lolc 2y ago

mort96 2y ago

It's shitty to take content under an attribution license like the CC-BY-SA license SO uses and pour it into a soup of linear algebra where the content remains but all attribution is lost.

coldpie 2y ago

> Isn't it expected that Stackoverflow questions and answers can be used by anybody including to train models? I don't think so. Content contributed to SO gets licensed under CC-BY-SA, no? How do these AI models respect the "BY" portion of that license? How do we enforce the "SA" portion of the license on people who use the output of the model? The answer is they don't, but the big companies decided violating copyright is OK so long as they do it all at once, because there's a lot of money to be made if you ignore copyright. Personally I'd be OK with a compromise where any entity that creates or uses an AI trained on copyrighted data forfeits copyright on all of their own works (not just those created by AI, all of their works).

throwaway290 2y ago

> Isn't it expected that Stackoverflow questions and answers can be used by anybody including to train models? CC ShareAlike requires attribution + derivative works to be shared under the same license. ClosedAI is absolutely in the wrong here.

add-sub-mul-div 2y ago

> It's not clear to me what the deal is supposed to be about. AI is unpopular and makes this an unpopular move, enough so to cause this drama. It's really not any more complicated than that.