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Tesla Quietly Removes All U.S. Job Postings
- simulosius 2y agoQuietly? Well, what did you expect? A big press release saying "ATTENTION, NO MORE JOBS"?
- throwup238 2y agoI expected at least an "FSD coming next year" tweet.
- notaustinpowers 2y agoDon't worry, it came along with him stating on Xitter that FSD will have the "nag" for holding the steering wheel removed in the next update.
- drawkward 2y ago>Xitter Is that pronounced "shitter"?
- datadrivenangel 2y agomore like 'zhitter', but zhi/shi are basically the same.
- OJFord 2y agoI thought the sound transliterated as zh was more of a hard 'j', vs the 'sh' of the sound transliterated as x?
- HarHarVeryFunny 2y agoYes - like Xiaomi :)
- notaustinpowers 2y agoExactly >:3c
- robofanatic 2y agonow that makes sense. It's a place to post whatever "shit" you have on your mind.
- deleted 2y ago[deleted]
- DoesntMatter22 2y agoTwitter is actually pretty great
- saalweachter 2y agoskitter -- the leading X should be pronounced as the reverse of the trailing X. Xylophone, xenon, xray.
- SrslyJosh 2y agoNot sure that's a major issue for current customers; I saw a guy careening through my office parking lot at road speed just yesterday. No hands on wheel, staring at his phone.
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- omoikane 2y agoA more sneaky thing to do would be to keep the job listings but never interview anyone or extend any offer.
- deelowe 2y agoAnd plenty of companies do exactly this in an attempt to prevent a market reaction or tipping off employees.
- toomuchtodo 2y agoHow would you solve for this?
- salawat 2y agoCreate a site that people who applied to an employer can go to announce they have, and employees can look up the numbers themselves. It'll give employees a feel for application numbers, and those who are tasked with interviewing will have a feel for the actual rate of candidate generation. Or, as a hiring manager, don't be a douche and be candid with your team.
- extragood 2y agoI've just started using Otta for my search and they publish responsiveness scores. Not sure if it's by role or across the company. It's saved me from wasting time on companies with bad hiring practices (assuming scoring is accurate)
- smallmancontrov 2y agoTrack followup rate and other metrics that would let applicants filter/sort to appropriately prioritize "cylindrical filing cabinet" postings.
- tnnnnn 2y agoMany companies still have tons of job openings right after the day of their layoffs. You could argue they might be hiring different positions, but it's somewhat odd.
- mindslight 2y agoIt wouldn't be out of character...
- aeturnum 2y agoI think the Conventional PR Wisdom is that releasing a statement when you do things like this will be better than not doing it. So yes, most companies would make some sized press release and have a statement ready to go before doing something like this.
- decremental 2y ago[dead]
- karaterobot 2y agoThis article is really about the layoffs, rather than the removal of the job postings. Obviously that'd be the case: what else is there to talk about other than that there were some job postings, but they aren't there anymore? It's become pretty common to use job postings as a diagnostic or predictive source. I remember when I first noticed an article inferring that such-and-such a company must be developing such-and-such a type of video game, because they were hiring for people with particular technical skills which implied a certain development path. I thought "oh, that's clever, I never would have thought to monitor job boards to learn about the future, but it makes sense". Now that practice of reporting on hiring is just de rigeur across coverage of many different industries, I think. I wonder if there will be some kind of response from companies, to try to hide or obfuscate such information—which may sometimes amount to a trade secret, or sometimes (as in this Tesla case) just a present kernel for bad publicity to form around. Maybe leaving up positions with no intention of filling them, or posting fake positions to send confusing signals to people watching you? They probably already do this, come to think of it. The end result would be increased annoyance and frustration for people applying to those jobs.
- spicybbq 2y agoThe pattern seems to be that companies leave job postings up in order to conceal whether they are actually hiring.
- AznHisoka 2y agoJob postings are also a great way to see what companies are focusing on right now, what their needs and priorities are. It’s useful from a sales intelligence and marketing point of view because you can tailor your messaging based on that
- htrp 2y ago> or posting fake positions to send confusing signals to people watching you? Just giving every enterprise company too much credit here.
- threatofrain 2y agoThe source also mentions that a batch of fall college kids also had their offers rescinded. IMO that is the bigger story to the tech community.
- babypuncher 2y agoThis doesn't sound like the behavior of a growing company that can afford to pay it's CEO $50 billion.
- lenerdenator 2y agoOr of a company run by a competent board.
- strangattractor 2y agoThe new narrative is that Tesla is a 'Technology Company'. There is Tesla AI for example that is building Robots etc. Musk's competitor to OpenAI (x.AI ?) has raised $6 billion at a $18 billion valuation. Unclear if that is related to Tesla. I guess he decided that if AI is going to destroy humanity he might as well make some coin helping it happen.
- MengerSponge 2y agoPivot to ~~video~~ AI
- redwall_hp 2y agoPivoting to being an AI company while under investigation by the NHTSA for doing wire and/or securities fraud in relation to their AI product? https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/05/teslas-self-driving-claims-subject-to-federal-securities-and-wire-fraud-probe/ https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/05/teslas-self-driving-cla...
- SrslyJosh 2y ago> There is Tesla AI for example that is building Robots etc. Musk's competitor to OpenAI (x.AI ?) has raised $6 billion at a $18 billion valuation. This is just giving Musk more runway to make promises that Tesla will fail to deliver on. When the robot fails, he'll pivot to promising something different, and the cycle will repeat.
- sschueller 2y agoNew? They have been claiming this from day one when people called out the fact that they produce a fraction of what other car makers produce yet are valued x times over the others.
- nickthegreek 2y agodupe: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40301045 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40301045
- comebhack 2y ago> [Elon Musk] also said he would ask any executive who retained more than three workers who “don’t obviously pass the excellent, necessary and trustworthy test” to resign. Is this "excellent, necessary and trustworthy test" referring to some specific criteria at Tesla or is it judged at an executives discretion?
- LargeWu 2y agoBy this metric I think it's arguable that Musk himself does not deserve to work at Tesla.
- Animats 2y agoHere's Tesla's drug testing policy.[1] [1] https://www.drugtestpanels.com/blogs/articles/does-tesla-drug-test https://www.drugtestpanels.com/blogs/articles/does-tesla-dru...
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- bena 2y agoIntentionally vague so people can be fired at whim. Because the real test is "loyal, loyal, and really loyal". And if any of these people sneeze in Musk's direction, they'll be fired along with the executive for not "following direction".
- FireBeyond 2y ago... aka the Trump Test. "Are you willing to take a bullet for me (even if I'm the one firing the gun)?"
- inkcapmushroom 2y agoI would call that the Cheney Test personally.
- xyst 2y ago
- deadbabe 2y agoMaybe the jobs were filled.
- internetter 2y agoAll 140,000 of them?
- xyst 2y agoSorry. They hired me and realized that I can do the job of 140,000 people. Both technical and non-technical.
- Y_Y 2y agoThe real 10x developer
- jijijijij 2y ago10^x developer.
- robofanatic 2y ago10^x developer could be a reality someday, thanks to AI
- daghamm 2y agoHey, that's me! (for X=0)
- noncoml 2y agoIs this a blackmail? You give me $50 billion or a drive this company to the ground?
- deelowe 2y agoI think they are just struggling. Go drive by a tesla dealership. The lots are full. Remember, corporations have real time data on performance. What we see in public disclosures can be over 3 months old by the time it's officially reported.
- bdcravens 2y agoDo they have actual dealerships? My understanding is that they only really have showrooms or service centers, and the lots that they have are just fulfillment centers, not a traditional car lot where you can buy from inventory.
- deelowe 2y agoYeah, I wasn't sure what word to use as they are not traditional dealerships. They do keep inventory on the lots though.
- bdcravens 2y agoI don't think those are typical inventory. The Cybertrucks are on backorder, yet the huge Tesla lot I drive by daily (in Northwest Houston) has many on the lot.
- deelowe 2y agoYou can get a model y same day from the lot. The CT is sitting because of the recall. That's a different issue.
- johnneville 2y agoI think he's trying to match tech companies' signals to investors (layoffs, AI investment) but he did them in the wrong order and the timing for this is having the opposite effect it did for meta et al in terms of PR there's probably also real, good, cost savings going on from it which should help but isn't geting the news bump he wants
- Takennickname 2y agoAmericans are too expensive.
- ThunderSizzle 2y agoYou can blame inflation for part of that. The value of a dollar is near nothing compared to even 5 years ago. And of course you need a higher salary when everyone charges you more just for being in the US. See YouTube premium pricing around the globe as an easy example.
- DSingularity 2y agoNear nothing? You sure about this?
- ThunderSizzle 2y agoAt the very last, it's devalued by more than half, and this is a national trend in the housing market alone. You can also observe this in dining out (either sit down or fast food), groceries, tools, etc. And yes, a pre-2021 dollar losing half of its worth in less than a couple of years is "near nothing". That means the dollar is a terrible store of value, and an entire net value stored in dollars would disappear inside half a lifetime, if not faster if Congress does another mass printing/borrowing of money. As an anecdote example: * Pre-2021, my house was 160k, with about 10% down, resulting in P&I of about $750. * Post-2021 (and no significant change since, the same house can probably sell for near $320 (& definitely $290 at the low end). To buy this, you'll need twice the down payment, and even with 10% down, your P&I is now nearly $2000 (due to the higher interest rates and huge principal). A dollar in 2018 is worth 2.67x more than a dollar today. It's pretty apparent in equities, but also in commodities, and there's no going back to pre-2021 monetary values. "Inflation" may or may not have slowed down, but a lot of people are now stuck until deflation actually occurs or significant salary growth occurs.
- smallmancontrov 2y agoThe US economy pumps assets and dumps exports, yes. However, weakening the dollar would dump assets and pump exports. That's the opposite of what the US has been up to for the last 50 years and it's the opposite of what the US is up to today. Your understanding of macroeconomics needs work. Hint: if your analysis does not involve US counterparties, it can only ever be correct by accident.
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- xyst 2y agoTesla is circling the drain.
- toomuchtodo 2y agoNah, low debt, lots of cash equivalents on hand, utility scale storage business is a rocket ship. They’re doing bad enough the board should fire Musk, but not bad enough the org will die. Tesla should survive for many reasons (product need, ~120k global workers), but needs an adult in charge. No one is irreplaceable, even Musk. Preserve the enterprise, its value, and the jobs.
- spamizbad 2y agoOne law we should pass is forbidding C-suites from holding more than one full-time job, unless said job is at some non-profit or just sitting (or chairing) a board. It really seems like as soon as interest rates rose all of a sudden every "Super CEO"'s business portfolio was in troubled waters.
- itsoktocry 2y agoWhy do we need a law? You can choose to invest or not. I mean, tons of shareholders are literally fighting to give Elon another $50 billion in stock, diluting themselves.
- JohnMakin 2y agoWell, it seems like if I was bullish on tesla and believed their growth story I’d be extremely interested in making sure that elon gets what he wants, because it seems he is basically threatening to gut parts of the company if he doesn’t. Cannot imagine how this is legal or tolerable, but lots of stuff he does I think this is the case and nothing seems to really matter and number go up.
- dpkirchner 2y agoIt does seem like the fact a CEO can work multiple jobs at the same time undercuts the common argument that we must all return to the office.
- ChrisArchitect 2y ago[dupe] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40301045 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40301045
- hoppyhoppy2 2y agoYour comment is itself a dupe of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40310568 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40310568
- sonicanatidae 2y agoSo, he's managed to encourage and support the coal-rolling Right-wing, and alienate the Green-friendly Left, while demanding a $50 billion payout, from his electric car company, that has lied about FSD since, what, 2013? Now, fire whole teams, cease all hiring, and ... profit? Well played Elon!
- loufe 2y agoAs per https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html: "In Comments Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes."
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- SrslyJosh 2y agoYou think he's a fool, but remember that extra space in the cybertruck battery pack? That's where the CyberCoal™ add-on pack will go, which will allow customers to expel huge clouds of choking black smoke at the push of a button. Electric performance, gasoline pollution. It'll be the best of both worlds!
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- ryanmccullagh 2y agoI wonder if this has anything to do with Musk visiting China last week.
- DoesntMatter22 2y agoI hate when people say quietly as if everything is some sort of CIA operation that is being covered over by the government. It's not that exciting.
- neets 2y agoMaybe all hiring will be done through twitter/x now?
- Zigurd 2y agoSome comments here impute some deceit, or alternatively, transparency in this. While there are ethical issues in rescinding internship offers, the ethics overall is not what speaks to me in this action. What I see is another one or two more bad quarters foreseen by Tesla senior management. It takes time to get a supply of resumes. It takes time to hire. They even need to hire a new head of HR. Evidently there will be no hiring any time soon.
- huhuhu111 2y ago[dead]
- iamleppert 2y agoNot shocking Elon Musk is moving all the jobs to China after he made his bag from the US government.