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Sigh, something that would be much less likely to even make it to HN if not for the fact that everyone is hungry to find the next thread to post their pre-canne
by cqqxo4zV46cp 2y ago
Sigh, something that would be much less likely to even make it to HN if not for the fact that everyone is hungry to find the next thread to post their pre-canned “damn MBAs!!” rant on. It’s not a Max.
- amelius 2y agoDoes the Max have different MBAs behind it?
- ceejayoz 2y agoSome of the MBAs probably weren’t born when this specific plane was made. 737-300s stopped being built twenty four years ago.
- amelius 2y agoWell, that's clear but that was not the question. I'm thinking about maintenance.
- ceejayoz 2y agoThe vast majority of maintenance is done by non-Boeing mechanics employed by airlines and their contractors. They generally cheap out on it as much as they can get away with. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/11/airplane-maintenance-disturbing-truth https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/11/airplane-maintenance...
- amelius 2y agoOk. I'm surprised the Boeing MBAs haven't seen the maintenance aftermarket as a big opportunity but perhaps there are laws in the way.
- robjan 2y agoThe laws are more laws of economics. Airlines like to be relatively vertically integrated, especially at their home bases.
- amelius 2y agoHow is that more economical? Wouldn't it be much more efficient to have Boeing support personnel on the ground? Also, since when do customers (in this case the airlines) get what they ask for, especially in a quasi-monopoly situation? I would expect the aircraft vendor to control everything.
- ceejayoz 2y ago> Wouldn't it be much more efficient to have Boeing support personnel on the ground? Absolutely not. Read the Vanity Fair article I linked above; they outsource it to China, El Salvador, etc. where labor is cheap and non-unionized and the FAA can't meaningfully do surprise inspections. The airline will have approved routine maintenance and repair procedures from Boeing, and reps they can reach out to with questions. When it's a major or unusual repair, they can ask Boeing to handle it; https://www.smithsonianmag.com/air-space-magazine/airliner-repair-247-9974457/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/air-space-magazine/airliner-r... > I would expect the aircraft vendor to control everything. It's not dissimilar from cars; most people don't go to the dealership for every repair, because it costs substantially more. Especially not if the plane is based in Senegal.
- Retric 2y agoThis has different MBAs behind it because it’s a 30 year old airplane and the design is even older. The first 737 Max flew in 2016 and most of them are even younger than that, so it’s we’re talking about very different management teams.
- rurban 2y agoThe Max is a McDonell Douglas, whilst the old 737-300 is still a Boeing. Big difference!
- klabb3 2y agoIt’s already obvious from the comments that it’s sensationalism and this is an older plane that didn’t crash. So at least HN is working that way. The fact that there is a negative sentiment against a company which have degraded their engineering is very understandable on HN. And yes that is due to MBAs and other bean counters, it’s not exactly a secret. For the last part, pre-canned or lazy responses, yes that’s a problem everywhere, but the most upvoted comments are rarely one-liners unlike eg Reddit. And maybe not cast the first stone if your own comment is a meta-complaint directed at nobody in particular?
- Der_Einzige 2y agoWell, beats most other forums where they’d simply be racist instead.