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He never said he goes to the CEO. This story is about the CTO having a dumb idea and literally no one pushing back on the plan, with the only people suffering

He never said he goes to the CEO. This story is about the CTO having a dumb idea and literally no one pushing back on the plan, with the only people suffering are the (relative) grunts. There's ways to respectively raise flags here. The answer isn't to go to the CEO, the answer is to not be a drone-like yes-person.

mewpmewp2 2y ago
So who do you have this conversation with if history has shown that yes people are the ones who stay close to CTO and others get filtered?
- ThunderSizzle 2y ago
  Be honest. Be kind. Be quick. Be brutal. Be thoughtful. Be diplomatic. But be honest. Honesty will be a great adventure of your life. If you get punished for it, so be it. Those who punished you for no reason and for ill-will will receive their reward, even if you never see it happen.
  - ziddoap 2y ago
    >Those who punished you for no reason and for ill-will will receive their reward, even if you never see it happen. Your comment sounds very nice. However, when that punishment you receive is losing your job and you have to feed and house yourself (and maybe a family!), there is no solace to be had in they hypothetical divine justice you speak of.
    - bcrosby95 2y ago
      I totally get where you're coming from. Sometimes we gotta just lay low. But at some point in your life, if you're always afraid of pushing back against demands because you're afraid of getting fired, its more of a "you" problem than a "them" problem.
    - ThunderSizzle 2y ago
      Being honest is not easy. If it was, the world would probably have more honesty and truth in it. If your fired for honesty, shake the dust from your feet, pick yourself up, and move forward with your life away from those tyrants. Will it suck? Yes, but only until you come out the other side. The alternative, perpetually lieing to keep your job, letting those lies spread into the rest of your life, and eventually being caught in your web of lies, will suck much more, and there is no light at the end of that tunnel. Small lies turn into big lies, and some lies turn into several lies. Eventually, you will lose yourself in your lies. And on top of that, now you were to one who perpetuated and invited evil to continue. You are the creature you wished to prevent by lieing in the first place.
      - ziddoap 2y ago
        >If your fired for honesty, shake the dust from your feet, pick yourself up, and move forward with your life away from those tyrants. Will it suck? Yes, but only until you come out the other side. If the "will it suck" = struggling to feed yourself or your kids, I feel like you are massively downplaying the "suck" part. In a perfect world, I agree with everything you said. Unfortunately, we don't live in a perfect world, so sometimes you have to be a bit more realistic. And, realistically, I would rather lie and keep my job than be honest and have to explain to my wife that we get to choose between electricity and eating.
        ThunderSizzle 2y ago
        If you would get fired for being honest, then yes, go home to your wife, tell her you lost your job, and you'll find a better job. If you are a dependable worker, you'll find a job. And being honest isn't an acceptable reason to avoid unemployment. Having said that, being honest isn't being stupid. It doesn't mean you can't have another job already lined up when you hand in your notice because you realized your employer doesn't like truth. Or that you need to always be blunt. Honesty is about being firm snd diplomatic. In an alternative world, would you like to lie so much that you begin cheating on your spouse? After all, it starts with one small lie. And that your kids never trust you when they are older because they know how much you lied to them? And that job interviews go poorly because they already know the previous lies at your previous employer?

mewpmewp2 2y ago

So who do you have this conversation with if history has shown that yes people are the ones who stay close to CTO and others get filtered?

ThunderSizzle 2y ago
Be honest. Be kind. Be quick. Be brutal. Be thoughtful. Be diplomatic. But be honest. Honesty will be a great adventure of your life. If you get punished for it, so be it. Those who punished you for no reason and for ill-will will receive their reward, even if you never see it happen.
- ziddoap 2y ago
  >Those who punished you for no reason and for ill-will will receive their reward, even if you never see it happen. Your comment sounds very nice. However, when that punishment you receive is losing your job and you have to feed and house yourself (and maybe a family!), there is no solace to be had in they hypothetical divine justice you speak of.
  - bcrosby95 2y ago
    I totally get where you're coming from. Sometimes we gotta just lay low. But at some point in your life, if you're always afraid of pushing back against demands because you're afraid of getting fired, its more of a "you" problem than a "them" problem.
  - ThunderSizzle 2y ago
    Being honest is not easy. If it was, the world would probably have more honesty and truth in it. If your fired for honesty, shake the dust from your feet, pick yourself up, and move forward with your life away from those tyrants. Will it suck? Yes, but only until you come out the other side. The alternative, perpetually lieing to keep your job, letting those lies spread into the rest of your life, and eventually being caught in your web of lies, will suck much more, and there is no light at the end of that tunnel. Small lies turn into big lies, and some lies turn into several lies. Eventually, you will lose yourself in your lies. And on top of that, now you were to one who perpetuated and invited evil to continue. You are the creature you wished to prevent by lieing in the first place.
    - ziddoap 2y ago
      >If your fired for honesty, shake the dust from your feet, pick yourself up, and move forward with your life away from those tyrants. Will it suck? Yes, but only until you come out the other side. If the "will it suck" = struggling to feed yourself or your kids, I feel like you are massively downplaying the "suck" part. In a perfect world, I agree with everything you said. Unfortunately, we don't live in a perfect world, so sometimes you have to be a bit more realistic. And, realistically, I would rather lie and keep my job than be honest and have to explain to my wife that we get to choose between electricity and eating.
      - ThunderSizzle 2y ago
        If you would get fired for being honest, then yes, go home to your wife, tell her you lost your job, and you'll find a better job. If you are a dependable worker, you'll find a job. And being honest isn't an acceptable reason to avoid unemployment. Having said that, being honest isn't being stupid. It doesn't mean you can't have another job already lined up when you hand in your notice because you realized your employer doesn't like truth. Or that you need to always be blunt. Honesty is about being firm snd diplomatic. In an alternative world, would you like to lie so much that you begin cheating on your spouse? After all, it starts with one small lie. And that your kids never trust you when they are older because they know how much you lied to them? And that job interviews go poorly because they already know the previous lies at your previous employer?