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Rifle-Armed Robot Dogs Now Being Tested by Marine Special Operators
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- verdverm 2y agoThe Ukraine-Russia War is leading to an autonomous arms race. Many interesting examples and much faster iteration than the traditional Mil-Ind complex. Fully expect Ukraine to be a leader in drone warfare, if you don't consider them to be already
- Guthur 2y agoWhich drones are produced by which Ukrainian companies? From my observation it's more like a testing ground for other countries systems.
- wil421 2y agoChinese made drone parts with sim and/or startlink/gps capable systems. I bet a lot of it is from off the shelf parts and some from other countries systems.[1] [1] https://www.npr.org/2023/06/20/1183050117/how-ukraine-created-an-army-of-drones-to-take-on-russia https://www.npr.org/2023/06/20/1183050117/how-ukraine-create...
- verdverm 2y agoMany local drone companies, 100s at this point. They are in full war mode and more than capable. Some notable examples are - the boats wrecking Russia's Black Sea Fleet - the long range drones hitting Russian oil refineries - the gun on tracks (like the dog in OP, but with treads) They have dozens of FPV style drone companies, and 1000s of individuals assembling FPV drones from parts. A super cool one I saw the other day is a FPV built with eco materials with sunflower seeds embedded: https://twitter.com/frontlinekit/status/1787904371977765177 https://twitter.com/frontlinekit/status/1787904371977765177 Also rolling their own anti-drone systems like - https://euromaidanpress.com/2024/05/01/ukraine-rolls-out-domestic-parasol-system-against-russian-drones/ https://euromaidanpress.com/2024/05/01/ukraine-rolls-out-dom... - https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-using-mobile-phones-6ft-183615748.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-using-mobile-phones-6ft-1...
- Guthur 2y agoFrom my understanding non of those are Ukrainian design and so it's as i said a testing ground for other countries.
- Terr_ 2y agoLeaving aside the manufacturing portion, I'd note out that there's a certain kind of (regrettable, tragic) operational knowledge any military might gain when using tools during real combat.
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- Terr_ 2y agoCan you link to this "official" news which you are accusing other commenters of "falling for"? Are you suggesting that drone technology and techniques are not being developed during the conflict?
- Simulacra 2y agoI had this thought too as part of an explanation for why America is so eager to engage in foreign wars. It gives the military a chance to use aging munitions and test out new platforms.
- cynicalpeace 2y agoBlack mirror a few years ahead of its time, yet again.
- stephenitis 2y agovery spot on for those who want to watch Metalhead Black Mirror: Season 4, Episode 5
- dopamean 2y agoInteresting that Dogs of War was published earlier in the same year.
- imglorp 2y agoAlso time to repost Slaughterbots https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CO6M2HsoIA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CO6M2HsoIA
- kelipso 2y ago> As Shell explained, the autonomous weapon system will "scan and detect targets... [locking] on [to] drones, people, [and] vehicles." As it features man-in-the-loop fire control, it will alert the operator once a target has been identified, letting the human decide whether to engage or not. Insane. Just a press of a button to make it fully autonomous.
- photochemsyn 2y agoSuggested reading: Dogs of War, by Adrian Tchaikovsky. Essentially a biotech cyborg variant on the theme of mind control meets Island of Doctor Moreau.
- iancmceachern 2y agoAlong those lines, suggested listening: War Pigs, the original of course, but the Cake cover is pretty good too
- xyst 2y agoSo this is where my tax dollars are spent. Building “killer robot dogs”. Smh. It’s shit like this that make you think twice about paying taxes; and sympathize with “tax dodgers”. The waste in government isn’t in Medicare, Social Security. It’s in the military industrial complex.
- polski-g 2y agoWould you prefer to pay for a lifetime of disability payments to returning veterans instead?
- logicchains 2y agoThere wouldn't be any disabled veterans if there wasn't a military industrial complex pushing for war all over the globe. The last time America fought a defensive war was WW2, almost a century ago, and if there was no military industrial complex it wouldn't have fought any wars since then.
- polski-g 2y agoThere were civilian ships being sunk off the coast of Yemen, luckily America has the force projection capable of putting a stop to that. Russia would have taken all of Ukraine if it wasn't for American force projection.
- yakshaving_jgt 2y agoDo you understand that other countries exist?
- stavrianos 2y agothis is a _very_ false dichotomy
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 2y agoIt doesn't seem so. I believe they're pointing out that our current best alternative to a robot dog with a gun is a human with a gun. Robot dog gets shot and is decommissioned; human gets shot and relies on disability payments for a few decades.
- more_corn 2y agoNever create a weapon you wouldn’t want turned loose on your family.
- nathan_compton 2y agoWhat weapon would you want to turn loose on your family?
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- zingababba 2y agoWould need to specify what turn loose meant. If you turn loose an AK-47 it will just sit there. An autonomous robot dog on the other hand...
- beej71 2y agoExactly.
- abraxas 2y agoYeah, the day I saw one of those I thought this will end up with a gun turret rather quickly. When they gain a lot of autonomy war will become absolutely unberable for most soldiers. Death and dismemberment will be coming from all directions, totally unexpected. The tatatata rifle style combat is nearly obsolete. One stat I read was that in the Russian war on Ukraine about 90% of combat deaths and injuries are from artillery fire and drones rather than direct infantry combat. It's already changing the face of war drastically. But maybe we can eventually get to a form of MAD where in war drones fight other drones and war ends when one side runs out of its robots?
- yakshaving_jgt 2y agoWhat happens when one side runs out of robots? I can tell you what will happen in the current war. If Ukraine runs out of robots/bullets/soldiers, the russian soldiers will march forward, plant flags, steal homes, and rape and slaughter civilians, as they have been doing for years. So I don’t think this form of MAD is actually any more peaceful.
- abraxas 2y agoyeah, I agree in this case. But maybe with a more rational actor this would prove effective. Or maybe I'm deluding myself because rational actors don't launch wars to begin with.
- rthnbgrredf 2y agoRussia already has the advantage of more manpower. And theres nothing Ukraine could do about it, it is just the significantly smaller country, both in terms of population and size. I think robots could provide a balance. For robots you need money and global access to parts. The collective West has more money and better access to parts. Hence, as long as the US/EU is willing to support Ukraine, robots could turn the cards into Ukraine's favor.
- yakshaving_jgt 2y agoYou are right and I agree with you, but that point is neither here nor there.
- htrp 2y agoBattlefield 2042 Vibes intensify
- SV_BubbleTime 2y agoUgh, don’t remind me. I checked the other day and there are about the same number of people playing a day as V (which turned out pretty good at the end). The Marines should have a backup plan because robots dogs can’t save everything.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 2y agoIt's about time! As a former Marine infantryman I've always admired the "do less with more" flexibility, practicality, and innovation of the corps.
- jmclnx 2y agoSo much for Isaac Asimov's Laws of Robotics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Laws_of_Robotics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Laws_of_Robotics Violations started years ago, but this is blatant. Wonder how long AI will be used for these. I am sure that is being researched :(
- w1nst0nsm1th 2y agoFor reference for future generations : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metalhead_(Black_Mirror) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metalhead_(Black_Mirror)
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 2y agoAnd before that there were Rat Things in Snow Crash or Slamhounds in the Sprawl books.
- LinuxBender 2y agoCan we get those operators to provide feedback here? Are the opposing enemy team allowed to attempt to disable them? Unpopular hot take, I've been following the progression or lack there of with robot dogs and honestly I am not impressed. I think a real dog or a high speed drone tank could disable these things. Should they evolve to the agility of the fictional character AMEE [1] they might be a threat but I have yet to see anything close to her. In my opinion these are too slow, wibbly wobbly, noisy, unidirectional. Too many of the weaknesses of a real dog have been recreated. This is a robot and they have the opportunity to engineer away all of those vulnerabilities. I would be more afraid of an actual dog trained to kill. I have a personal request. Two of these dogs armed with owie-owie-hurt-hurt paintball guns verses two riot cops armed only with the riot-cuffs heavy duty tie wraps. Give the cops no instruction other than to disable the robots. [1] - https://youtu.be/KTcOOzD-JQs?&t=28 https://youtu.be/KTcOOzD-JQs?&t=28
- jareklupinski 2y ago> Two of these dogs armed with owie-owie-hurt-hurt paintball guns verses two riot cops the scary part isn't putting two robots against two guys; it's putting two hundred robots against those two guys you don't have to be tactical (or even accurate) when you can overwhelm (zerg rush)
- LinuxBender 2y agoit's putting two hundred robots against those two guys That is the opposite I would expect financially funding a war. I would expect one robot to be able to decimate 100 to 1000 humans in short order and act as a 10x landmine if pinned down. I do not believe there would ever be a zerg rush of robot dogs as they can not rush. Something like a scaled down rip-saw tank that can autonomously fire simultaneously in 10+ directions perhaps if you want to surprise and rush a squad. Something like the rip-saw could also extract a squad of friendlies if not scaled down and/or patrol a very large area.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 2y agoThey aren't a threat because they aren't on par with fictional sci-fi special-effects robots yet? They're still armed with guns. Even a small gun is a threat. I don't understand your point.