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So now ui choices in different countries is because of deep cultural meaning, but they could be arbitrary, but that doesn't mean it's random and now the arbitra

So now ui choices in different countries is because of deep cultural meaning, but they could be arbitrary, but that doesn't mean it's random and now the arbitrary choice is now the culture? Seems like circular logic to rationalize arbitrary choices made anonymously.

Dylan16807 2y ago
You have to analyze it on a case by case basis. It only sounds silly if you try to generalize everything into a single rule. Different choices have different levels of cultural depth. Often the depth is zero. But it varies. And culture is created by arbitrary decisions coalescing into guidelines. If it's not coalescing, then it's not culture. You have to look at the big picture to tell if something is culture or not.
- CyberDildonics 2y ago
  The big picture is that people stop when the traffic light turns red.
  - Dylan16807 2y ago
    ...so you are suggesting that one situation where colors match invalidates situations where colors are different. You're implying that if red's meaning in one situation is the same, then red's other meanings in other situations must be the same. Okay I guess. I don't know why you would think that, but I don't have much hope of convincing you otherwise.
    - CyberDildonics 2y ago
      If it's all chosen because colors are deeply cultural then they would be the same. If important stuff is all different and arbitrary then it's not cultural.
      - Dylan16807 2y ago
        > all chosen because colors are deeply cultural > all different and arbitrary Those are the extremes of the spectrum. Color choices are not at either extreme. Most color choices are arbitrary, some of them are shallowly cultural, and some of them are deeply cultural. HN having an orange banner at the top isn't significantly cultural. Traffic lights are worldwide culture. Black or green for positive money and red for negative money are US culture. Red for positive money and black or green for negative money are Chinese culture. These choices tie into older associations, which affects the depth. But even if they were shallow they'd still be culture.
        CyberDildonics 2y ago
        Do you have a source for any of this?
        Dylan16807 2y ago
        You want me to pick one out of google? They all say the same thing https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/paradox-red-green-festive-perspective-stock-market-colors-adam-duval-dkn3c https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/paradox-red-green-festive-per... https://www.bbc.com/news/av/business-33464903 https://www.bbc.com/news/av/business-33464903 Here's a link full of its own links https://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/6982/except-china-which-country-will-use-red-for-up-and-green-for-down https://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/6982/excep... Or we can look at how old the western association with red as negative money is: https://grammarist.com/idiom/in-the-red-and-in-the-black/ https://grammarist.com/idiom/in-the-red-and-in-the-black/ If you wanted specific links you should have said so 4 days ago after I wrote "You can also do a text search for china red green stocks, or japan red green stocks." If you want a citation for HN's orange not being deeply cultural, then you got me, I didn't actually check. But let's see... "The orange logo was chosen because it was the opposite of VC websites which were typically forest green or navy blue" yeah that's not deep culture.

Dylan16807 2y ago

You have to analyze it on a case by case basis. It only sounds silly if you try to generalize everything into a single rule. Different choices have different levels of cultural depth. Often the depth is zero. But it varies. And culture is created by arbitrary decisions coalescing into guidelines. If it's not coalescing, then it's not culture. You have to look at the big picture to tell if something is culture or not.

CyberDildonics 2y ago
The big picture is that people stop when the traffic light turns red.
- Dylan16807 2y ago
  ...so you are suggesting that one situation where colors match invalidates situations where colors are different. You're implying that if red's meaning in one situation is the same, then red's other meanings in other situations must be the same. Okay I guess. I don't know why you would think that, but I don't have much hope of convincing you otherwise.
  - CyberDildonics 2y ago
    If it's all chosen because colors are deeply cultural then they would be the same. If important stuff is all different and arbitrary then it's not cultural.
    - Dylan16807 2y ago
      > all chosen because colors are deeply cultural > all different and arbitrary Those are the extremes of the spectrum. Color choices are not at either extreme. Most color choices are arbitrary, some of them are shallowly cultural, and some of them are deeply cultural. HN having an orange banner at the top isn't significantly cultural. Traffic lights are worldwide culture. Black or green for positive money and red for negative money are US culture. Red for positive money and black or green for negative money are Chinese culture. These choices tie into older associations, which affects the depth. But even if they were shallow they'd still be culture.
      - CyberDildonics 2y ago
        Do you have a source for any of this?
        Dylan16807 2y ago
        You want me to pick one out of google? They all say the same thing https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/paradox-red-green-festive-perspective-stock-market-colors-adam-duval-dkn3c https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/paradox-red-green-festive-per... https://www.bbc.com/news/av/business-33464903 https://www.bbc.com/news/av/business-33464903 Here's a link full of its own links https://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/6982/except-china-which-country-will-use-red-for-up-and-green-for-down https://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/6982/excep... Or we can look at how old the western association with red as negative money is: https://grammarist.com/idiom/in-the-red-and-in-the-black/ https://grammarist.com/idiom/in-the-red-and-in-the-black/ If you wanted specific links you should have said so 4 days ago after I wrote "You can also do a text search for china red green stocks, or japan red green stocks." If you want a citation for HN's orange not being deeply cultural, then you got me, I didn't actually check. But let's see... "The orange logo was chosen because it was the opposite of VC websites which were typically forest green or navy blue" yeah that's not deep culture.