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> Also if a senior person can't in 30/45 min of talking with someone figure out the general experience level then the problem is them, really. Actually most of

> Also if a senior person can't in 30/45 min of talking with someone figure out the general experience level then the problem is them, really. Actually most of them, including the really inexperienced juniors have 'figured' you out in less that 15 minutes, or at least they have decided whether to hire you or not in 15 minutes. But they have to put on a charade of being fair. Also a 'white' older male is the least preferred even if he is smarter compared to all females and the minorities that are being interviewed as long as they are not terrible. Biases galore.

wanderlust123 2y ago
Got any evidence for the following claim: “ Also a 'white' older male is the least preferred even if he is smarter compared to all females and the minorities that are being interviewed as long as they are not terrible. Biases galore.”
- renewiltord 2y ago
  He's close. The real bias is against extremely good looking guys named Rene who are also way smarter and charismatic than everyone else. Terrible bias.
  - phlakaton 2y ago
    I dunno. "Rene" sounds a lot like "renege." Which probably means you'll sign on to a project and abandon it halfway through or something. Very sus. (I wish I could say my early interviewing rubrics were any better than this. We have come a long way as a people, we Silly Valley programmers.)
  - Aeolun 2y ago
    That kinda makes sense, unless you want Rene to be your replacement.
- spacebanana7 2y ago
  Isn't that the definition of affirmative action? Which most companies claim to do (e.g Google [1]). Admittedly Google also claims not to discriminate on the basis of protected characteristics, which is somewhat contradictory to the definition of affirmative action as positive discrimination [2]. [1] https://www.google.com/about/careers/applications/eeo/ https://www.google.com/about/careers/applications/eeo/ [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action
  - pseudalopex 2y ago
    The Wikipedia article did not define affirmative action as positive discrimination.
    - spacebanana7 2y ago
      “Affirmative action (also sometimes called reservations, alternative access, positive discrimination or positive action in various countries' laws and policies)…” It calls them the same thing
      - pseudalopex 2y ago
        No. Positive discrimination is a form of affirmative action in various countries' laws and policies. Positive action is another. Positive action is not positive discrimination. Paragraph 2 mentioned merely targeting encouragement for increased participation even if you did not know what positive action meant.
        spacebanana7 2y ago
        The text attests to both our interpretations. 1) By saying x is sometimes called y under some circumstances, the text implies x (Affirmative action) is equal to or a subset of y (Positive discrimination) 2) The second paragraph also suggests examples of affirmative action that wouldn’t constitute positive discrimination
Tainnor 2y ago
> Also a 'white' older male is the least preferred even if he is smarter compared to all females and the minorities that are being interviewed as long as they are not terrible. Biases galore. I will agree that ageism is a thing, but 90% of all of my coworkers (who were software engineers) have been white males, so I cannot at all agree with this take otherwise.

wanderlust123 2y ago

Got any evidence for the following claim: “ Also a 'white' older male is the least preferred even if he is smarter compared to all females and the minorities that are being interviewed as long as they are not terrible. Biases galore.”

renewiltord 2y ago
He's close. The real bias is against extremely good looking guys named Rene who are also way smarter and charismatic than everyone else. Terrible bias.
- phlakaton 2y ago
  I dunno. "Rene" sounds a lot like "renege." Which probably means you'll sign on to a project and abandon it halfway through or something. Very sus. (I wish I could say my early interviewing rubrics were any better than this. We have come a long way as a people, we Silly Valley programmers.)
- Aeolun 2y ago
  That kinda makes sense, unless you want Rene to be your replacement.
spacebanana7 2y ago
Isn't that the definition of affirmative action? Which most companies claim to do (e.g Google [1]). Admittedly Google also claims not to discriminate on the basis of protected characteristics, which is somewhat contradictory to the definition of affirmative action as positive discrimination [2]. [1] https://www.google.com/about/careers/applications/eeo/ https://www.google.com/about/careers/applications/eeo/ [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action
- pseudalopex 2y ago
  The Wikipedia article did not define affirmative action as positive discrimination.
  - spacebanana7 2y ago
    “Affirmative action (also sometimes called reservations, alternative access, positive discrimination or positive action in various countries' laws and policies)…” It calls them the same thing
    - pseudalopex 2y ago
      No. Positive discrimination is a form of affirmative action in various countries' laws and policies. Positive action is another. Positive action is not positive discrimination. Paragraph 2 mentioned merely targeting encouragement for increased participation even if you did not know what positive action meant.
      - spacebanana7 2y ago
        The text attests to both our interpretations. 1) By saying x is sometimes called y under some circumstances, the text implies x (Affirmative action) is equal to or a subset of y (Positive discrimination) 2) The second paragraph also suggests examples of affirmative action that wouldn’t constitute positive discrimination

Tainnor 2y ago

> Also a 'white' older male is the least preferred even if he is smarter compared to all females and the minorities that are being interviewed as long as they are not terrible. Biases galore. I will agree that ageism is a thing, but 90% of all of my coworkers (who were software engineers) have been white males, so I cannot at all agree with this take otherwise.