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I'm with you. I think HN (and conversational internet) disproportionally contains more laptop people than the public. A lot of of the younger generation does a

I'm with you. I think HN (and conversational internet) disproportionally contains more laptop people than the public. A lot of of the younger generation does all their work on their phone and tablet and does not have a computer.

Tiktaalik 3y ago
If those younger folks are as the parent says in the creative sector. iPad has been a workflow gamechanger for folks who use photoshop etc but users are still prevented from coding on it.
- themagician 3y ago
  It's actually come a long way. The workflow is still… sub-optimal, but there are some really nice terminal apps (LaTerminal, Prompt, ShellFish, iSH) which are functional too. Working Copy is pretty dope for working with git once you get you adapt to it. I do most of my dev on a Pi5 now, so actually working on the iPad is not that difficult. If they ever release Xcode for iPadOS that would be a true gamechanger.
- nomel 3y ago
  "Prevented from coding" is just not true. There are many python IDEs, Swift Playgrounds, etc. Pythonista, and the like, are neat because you get full access to all the iPhone sensors.
- amjnsx 3y ago
  And maybe that's fine? Look at it from the opposite side. All those artists complaining about how terrible macbooks are because you can't draw on them.
wiseowise 3y ago
Majority of people don’t know what programming is and do shitton of manual things that can be automated by a simple bash/Python script, so what?
- nomel 3y ago
  So, the product may not fit your use case or preference. That's ok. Others love it. That's also ok. What's silly is thinking that a device that makes everyone happy is somehow trivial, or that a device intentionally made with a specific type of interface is bad because of that intent. If things were as bad or as trivial as some people suggest, someone else would have made a successful competing product by now, rather than the string failures across the industry, from those who have tried.
  - Nathanba 3y ago
    what you are describing is a certainly some kind of professional but we should look from a higher vantage point. A professional in any field will ultimately want to customize their tool or make their own tools and that is not possible with ipads or even really software on ipads. It is a massive step backwards to sit in a walled, proprietary garden and claim that these people are productive professionals as if they are comparable to the previous generation of professionals. They may be in some sense but from a more historical, higher viewpoint they all seem herded into tightly controlled, corporate tools that will be taken from them whenever it is convenient for someone else. Ipad users are effectively like vmware users who are just waiting for a Broadcom moment. The price hike will always come eventually, the support will always drop at some point. It is all borrowed time, tools someone else controls and makes. It might be necessary in a world where we all need to make money but to positively support it is something else entirely.
    - nomel 3y ago
      > A professional in any field will ultimately want to customize their tool or make their own tools I suspect you’re a programmer. This is not the perspective or reality of most professional users. Most professional apps are not, themselves, customizable. Most professional users do not make their own tools, or want to. If you’re a programmer, you’ll understand this, because that’s why you’re employed: they want you to do it.
      - Topfi 3y ago
aqfamnzc 3y ago
Yeah, apparently some people book flights from their phones!? Nah man, that's a laptop activity. I'd never spend more than a couple hundred dollars on my phone. Haha

Tiktaalik 3y ago

If those younger folks are as the parent says in the creative sector. iPad has been a workflow gamechanger for folks who use photoshop etc but users are still prevented from coding on it.

themagician 3y ago
It's actually come a long way. The workflow is still… sub-optimal, but there are some really nice terminal apps (LaTerminal, Prompt, ShellFish, iSH) which are functional too. Working Copy is pretty dope for working with git once you get you adapt to it. I do most of my dev on a Pi5 now, so actually working on the iPad is not that difficult. If they ever release Xcode for iPadOS that would be a true gamechanger.
nomel 3y ago
"Prevented from coding" is just not true. There are many python IDEs, Swift Playgrounds, etc. Pythonista, and the like, are neat because you get full access to all the iPhone sensors.
amjnsx 3y ago
And maybe that's fine? Look at it from the opposite side. All those artists complaining about how terrible macbooks are because you can't draw on them.

wiseowise 3y ago

Majority of people don’t know what programming is and do shitton of manual things that can be automated by a simple bash/Python script, so what?

nomel 3y ago
So, the product may not fit your use case or preference. That's ok. Others love it. That's also ok. What's silly is thinking that a device that makes everyone happy is somehow trivial, or that a device intentionally made with a specific type of interface is bad because of that intent. If things were as bad or as trivial as some people suggest, someone else would have made a successful competing product by now, rather than the string failures across the industry, from those who have tried.
- Nathanba 3y ago
  what you are describing is a certainly some kind of professional but we should look from a higher vantage point. A professional in any field will ultimately want to customize their tool or make their own tools and that is not possible with ipads or even really software on ipads. It is a massive step backwards to sit in a walled, proprietary garden and claim that these people are productive professionals as if they are comparable to the previous generation of professionals. They may be in some sense but from a more historical, higher viewpoint they all seem herded into tightly controlled, corporate tools that will be taken from them whenever it is convenient for someone else. Ipad users are effectively like vmware users who are just waiting for a Broadcom moment. The price hike will always come eventually, the support will always drop at some point. It is all borrowed time, tools someone else controls and makes. It might be necessary in a world where we all need to make money but to positively support it is something else entirely.
  - nomel 3y ago
    > A professional in any field will ultimately want to customize their tool or make their own tools I suspect you’re a programmer. This is not the perspective or reality of most professional users. Most professional apps are not, themselves, customizable. Most professional users do not make their own tools, or want to. If you’re a programmer, you’ll understand this, because that’s why you’re employed: they want you to do it.
    - Topfi 3y ago

aqfamnzc 3y ago

Yeah, apparently some people book flights from their phones!? Nah man, that's a laptop activity. I'd never spend more than a couple hundred dollars on my phone. Haha