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That sounds like a description of culture. So either colors were chosen because they have a deep cultural meaning or they were chosen arbitrarily?

Dylan16807 2y ago
Those are the options, yes. Or a mixture. Older choices affect newer choices, and consistent choices become culture. Once upon a time, stock chart makers made an arbitrary choice influenced by older choices that had become culture. Those older choices being a general association with fortune, and a specific association with loss of money. (With intermediate steps, I think, but I'm being brief.) And those associations were different for different groups. Now the chart colors are part of culture too. A choice being arbitrary doesn't mean it was random. You can trace the influence here. But even if it had been random, it's culture now. Money in red has implications, and the implications vary.
- CyberDildonics 2y ago
  So now ui choices in different countries is because of deep cultural meaning, but they could be arbitrary, but that doesn't mean it's random and now the arbitrary choice is now the culture? Seems like circular logic to rationalize arbitrary choices made anonymously.
  - Dylan16807 2y ago
    You have to analyze it on a case by case basis. It only sounds silly if you try to generalize everything into a single rule. Different choices have different levels of cultural depth. Often the depth is zero. But it varies. And culture is created by arbitrary decisions coalescing into guidelines. If it's not coalescing, then it's not culture. You have to look at the big picture to tell if something is culture or not.
    - CyberDildonics 2y ago
      The big picture is that people stop when the traffic light turns red.
      - Dylan16807 2y ago
        ...so you are suggesting that one situation where colors match invalidates situations where colors are different. You're implying that if red's meaning in one situation is the same, then red's other meanings in other situations must be the same. Okay I guess. I don't know why you would think that, but I don't have much hope of convincing you otherwise.
        CyberDildonics 2y ago
        If it's all chosen because colors are deeply cultural then they would be the same. If important stuff is all different and arbitrary then it's not cultural.
        Dylan16807 2y ago
        > all chosen because colors are deeply cultural > all different and arbitrary Those are the extremes of the spectrum. Color choices are not at either extreme. Most color choices are arbitrary, some of them are shallowly cultural, and some of them are deeply cultural. HN having an orange banner at the top isn't significantly cultural. Traffic lights are worldwide culture. Black or green for positive money and red for negative money are US culture. Red for positive money and black or green for negative money are Chinese culture. These choices tie into older associations, which affects the depth. But even if they were shallow they'd still be culture.
        CyberDildonics 2y ago
        Do you have a source for any of this?
        2y ago

Dylan16807 2y ago

Those are the options, yes. Or a mixture. Older choices affect newer choices, and consistent choices become culture. Once upon a time, stock chart makers made an arbitrary choice influenced by older choices that had become culture. Those older choices being a general association with fortune, and a specific association with loss of money. (With intermediate steps, I think, but I'm being brief.) And those associations were different for different groups. Now the chart colors are part of culture too. A choice being arbitrary doesn't mean it was random. You can trace the influence here. But even if it had been random, it's culture now. Money in red has implications, and the implications vary.

CyberDildonics 2y ago
So now ui choices in different countries is because of deep cultural meaning, but they could be arbitrary, but that doesn't mean it's random and now the arbitrary choice is now the culture? Seems like circular logic to rationalize arbitrary choices made anonymously.
- Dylan16807 2y ago
  You have to analyze it on a case by case basis. It only sounds silly if you try to generalize everything into a single rule. Different choices have different levels of cultural depth. Often the depth is zero. But it varies. And culture is created by arbitrary decisions coalescing into guidelines. If it's not coalescing, then it's not culture. You have to look at the big picture to tell if something is culture or not.
  - CyberDildonics 2y ago
    The big picture is that people stop when the traffic light turns red.
    - Dylan16807 2y ago
      ...so you are suggesting that one situation where colors match invalidates situations where colors are different. You're implying that if red's meaning in one situation is the same, then red's other meanings in other situations must be the same. Okay I guess. I don't know why you would think that, but I don't have much hope of convincing you otherwise.
      - CyberDildonics 2y ago
        If it's all chosen because colors are deeply cultural then they would be the same. If important stuff is all different and arbitrary then it's not cultural.
        Dylan16807 2y ago
        > all chosen because colors are deeply cultural > all different and arbitrary Those are the extremes of the spectrum. Color choices are not at either extreme. Most color choices are arbitrary, some of them are shallowly cultural, and some of them are deeply cultural. HN having an orange banner at the top isn't significantly cultural. Traffic lights are worldwide culture. Black or green for positive money and red for negative money are US culture. Red for positive money and black or green for negative money are Chinese culture. These choices tie into older associations, which affects the depth. But even if they were shallow they'd still be culture.
        CyberDildonics 2y ago
        Do you have a source for any of this?
        2y ago