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It sounds like you're bragging about a dysfunctional way of working. If what your team is doing is valuable they should get any tools they like without much que

It sounds like you're bragging about a dysfunctional way of working. If what your team is doing is valuable they should get any tools they like without much questions. Just like in any reasonable workplace. Because workers produce more and better when they have better tools. You can also just buy the software to evaluate it. This way you have unlimited time to see if it fits or not. That's what people do in other industries.

kfarr 3y ago
Yeah it is a bit odd to say that the #1 requirement is that the software be free for 30 days, that would disqualify a bunch of critical infrastructure.
- p_l 3y ago
  A lot of multiple thousand dollars per seat software will offer evaluation licenses, for various lengths of time, sometimes way longer than 30 days.
dijit 3y ago
Theres a quick fall-off. Sourcegraph is $99/u/m and has major network effects. For a moderately sized org this is quickly an entire developer salary. Snyk is similarly priced, unfortunately “just buy” is a really easy way to: a) pay more than something is woth b) have multiple products doing the same thing. (for example, I have Miro and figjam and Mural in my company because each do something slightly better and teams have chosen the tools that work best). That means we often double pay on licenses for ostensibly similar software.
- sqs 3y ago
  Sourcegraph CEO here. It’s not $99/user/month anymore. It’s great that a lot of companies were willing to pay that, but we and our customers prefer a lower per-user price and a higher % of devs at the company using it (ideally 100%). We reduced prices for our customers (current and future). You can see the posted pricing at https://sourcegraph.com/pricing https://sourcegraph.com/pricing. For any other dev tools companies, I’d strongly recommend having lower prices so that every dev at your customer can use it (if that’s relevant for your product). If you start seeing customers be really picky with who gets a license, it’s probably priced too high.
  - CamelCaseName 3y ago
    Off-topic, but I see you always responding very quickly whenever Sourcegraph is mentioned. I was entertained a while back when I saw you getting accused for using sockpuppets, but am I correct in thinking that you're probably just using the API to monitor for name mentions? Edit: To be clear, I think this is great and that more companies should do this.
    - jdorfman 3y ago
      Syften & Common Room =)
    - sqs 3y ago
      Haha, yeah, @jdorfman's sibling comment mentions the tools we use. Any mentions on HN, Reddit, Twitter, YouTube, etc., show up in our team chat. The gold standard, of course, is Sid at GitLab ("GitLab CEO here" :).
  - ftigis 3y ago
    Why does it say 1 user limit for Pro plan and also that is for small teams? Or am I missing misunderstand the pricing page?
    - sqs 3y ago
      Teams (that don't need Cody Enterprise) should just buy Cody Pro for each dev individually for now. We will have shared billing soon.
- carlosjobim 3y ago
  A) You don't need to buy the software for every employee at once. Why not buy it for a dozen and try it? If it's good you get more licenses. B) You can buy software and evaluate and decide not to use it and cancel the license.
dh2022 3y ago
Well, maybe a way to let workers try out better tools and not explode the budget /complexity of the tech stack is to give devs $500 / year to spend on whatever they want. It could be monitors, a new IDE, etc.... This way individuals can try out a new tool and if they really see itts value they could "sell" it to management.
- PaulHoule 3y ago
  Even where there hasn't been a formal policy I usually haven't had a hard time getting anything that costs, say, $50.
- carlosjobim 3y ago
  $500 per year is a pathetically low amount for a dev who is expected to make his company hundreds of thousands or millions per year. Plumbers and HVAC specialists have tools worth tens of thousands of dollars.
  - charlie0 3y ago
    We already have equipment worth tens of thousands of dollars. It's between our ears.
    - carlosjobim 3y ago
      Your glasses?
  - robocat 3y ago
    Comparing subscriptions to one-off costs makes little sense. > Plumbers and HVAC specialists have tools worth tens of thousands of dollars. And how many of their tools are annual subscriptions? And do their tools have residual value e.g. sell the business as a whole?
    - carlosjobim 3y ago
      Who said it was about subscriptions? But physical tools wear out when used professionally, so they are an ongoing cost. Not to mention all other material that are simply spent when used by people in physical businesses.

kfarr 3y ago

Yeah it is a bit odd to say that the #1 requirement is that the software be free for 30 days, that would disqualify a bunch of critical infrastructure.

p_l 3y ago
A lot of multiple thousand dollars per seat software will offer evaluation licenses, for various lengths of time, sometimes way longer than 30 days.

dijit 3y ago

Theres a quick fall-off. Sourcegraph is $99/u/m and has major network effects. For a moderately sized org this is quickly an entire developer salary. Snyk is similarly priced, unfortunately “just buy” is a really easy way to: a) pay more than something is woth b) have multiple products doing the same thing. (for example, I have Miro and figjam and Mural in my company because each do something slightly better and teams have chosen the tools that work best). That means we often double pay on licenses for ostensibly similar software.

sqs 3y ago
Sourcegraph CEO here. It’s not $99/user/month anymore. It’s great that a lot of companies were willing to pay that, but we and our customers prefer a lower per-user price and a higher % of devs at the company using it (ideally 100%). We reduced prices for our customers (current and future). You can see the posted pricing at https://sourcegraph.com/pricing https://sourcegraph.com/pricing. For any other dev tools companies, I’d strongly recommend having lower prices so that every dev at your customer can use it (if that’s relevant for your product). If you start seeing customers be really picky with who gets a license, it’s probably priced too high.
- CamelCaseName 3y ago
  Off-topic, but I see you always responding very quickly whenever Sourcegraph is mentioned. I was entertained a while back when I saw you getting accused for using sockpuppets, but am I correct in thinking that you're probably just using the API to monitor for name mentions? Edit: To be clear, I think this is great and that more companies should do this.
  - jdorfman 3y ago
    Syften & Common Room =)
  - sqs 3y ago
    Haha, yeah, @jdorfman's sibling comment mentions the tools we use. Any mentions on HN, Reddit, Twitter, YouTube, etc., show up in our team chat. The gold standard, of course, is Sid at GitLab ("GitLab CEO here" :).
- ftigis 3y ago
  Why does it say 1 user limit for Pro plan and also that is for small teams? Or am I missing misunderstand the pricing page?
  - sqs 3y ago
    Teams (that don't need Cody Enterprise) should just buy Cody Pro for each dev individually for now. We will have shared billing soon.
carlosjobim 3y ago
A) You don't need to buy the software for every employee at once. Why not buy it for a dozen and try it? If it's good you get more licenses. B) You can buy software and evaluate and decide not to use it and cancel the license.

dh2022 3y ago

Well, maybe a way to let workers try out better tools and not explode the budget /complexity of the tech stack is to give devs $500 / year to spend on whatever they want. It could be monitors, a new IDE, etc.... This way individuals can try out a new tool and if they really see itts value they could "sell" it to management.

PaulHoule 3y ago
Even where there hasn't been a formal policy I usually haven't had a hard time getting anything that costs, say, $50.
carlosjobim 3y ago
$500 per year is a pathetically low amount for a dev who is expected to make his company hundreds of thousands or millions per year. Plumbers and HVAC specialists have tools worth tens of thousands of dollars.
- charlie0 3y ago
  We already have equipment worth tens of thousands of dollars. It's between our ears.
  - carlosjobim 3y ago
    Your glasses?
- robocat 3y ago
  Comparing subscriptions to one-off costs makes little sense. > Plumbers and HVAC specialists have tools worth tens of thousands of dollars. And how many of their tools are annual subscriptions? And do their tools have residual value e.g. sell the business as a whole?
  - carlosjobim 3y ago
    Who said it was about subscriptions? But physical tools wear out when used professionally, so they are an ongoing cost. Not to mention all other material that are simply spent when used by people in physical businesses.