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Not only does Israel target journalists, but it targets the families of journalists. Nobody is immune not even the bureau chief of Al Jezeera.

oefrha 2y ago
Damn that was a difficult read. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wael_Al-Dahdouh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wael_Al-Dahdouh 2023-10-28: Wife, 15-year-old son, 7-year-old daughter, a grandson and seven other relatives killed in strike on refugee camp. 2023-12-15: Wounded by missile during filming, cameraman fatally wounded and bled to death with ambulances cut off. 2024-01-07: Eldest son, a journalist, killed in air strike. 2024-01-08: Two nephews killed. 2024-01-16: Evacuted to Egypt/Qatar with family. Probably would have been dead by now or with more dead family members if he remained.
- jajko 2y ago
  As much as it hurts even writing it, I don't think its a rare story there these days. History will not look kindly at both sides here, they really have no higher moral ground than the other
  - drdrek 2y ago
    The moral high ground is for the rich and safe. Both Israel and the Palestinians are under real threats and thus do not care much for morality that is disconnected from PR. Terror is an extremely good tool to dispose of foreign power that takes economic interest in an area, as it makes the endeavor unprofitable. But backfires horribly when it is a local hegemon.
  - vharuck 2y ago
    >History will not look kindly at both sides here, they really have no higher moral ground than the other There are four sides here: the Israeli government, Hamas, Israeli citizens, and Palestinian citizens. The first two are the active combatants. The third group were victims in October. The fourth group are still victims today. Killing unarmed and non-hostile citizens is absolutely immoral. Acting in such a reckless way that the majority of casualties are citizens is still immoral. History will look harshly on Hamas for slaughtering thousands of Israeli citizens, and Israel for slaughtering tens of thousands of Palestinian citizens. No rational person should think those citizens were at fault.
    - sanderjd 2y ago
      I think this is absolutely right, so please don't take this as a disagreement with the point you made. But what I think a lot about is the precursor years to these kinds of events. I have a deep well of sympathy for the people of Gaza who have long despised being governed by Hamas, but haven't been able to figure out how to throw them off. They knew Hamas was a disaster waiting to happen, they could see it coming, but still couldn't stop it. And just the same for the opposition in Israel, who have come so close to getting rid of Netanyahu and his ilk on so many occasions. They knew he was a disaster waiting to happen too. I just recently had a friend tell me that many of their Israeli friends and family are leaving the country in disgust. But of course that means that they won't be there to vote against Netanyahu. By losing, he wins. And some of the leaders of Hamas, watching from other countries as the people of Gaza are slaughtered, also get to enjoy the spectacle of young people in the west hoisting their flags and chanting their slogans. By losing, they win too. But what's maddening is that seeing disasters waiting to happen doesn't make it easy to keep them from happening. It can be obvious that it's a disaster waiting to happen to have a presidential candidate in the US refuse to accept the results of elections, and openly plan for an authoritarian consolidation of power, and that might make it less likely to happen, it might make it easier to stop it, but still not easy. Obvious encroaching disasters can still happen, and frequently do. I hate that!
    - mistermann 2y ago
      > No rational person should think those citizens were at fault. Did you read some sort of an impressive proof for this fact prior to epistemically & cognitively (consciously &/or subconsciously) upgrading it to Objectively True? Because for something to be labeled as True in a strict system of logic, it requires a proof. Note also that Consensus Belief of Truth is not identical to Proven Truth, even though it typically appears that way due to our cultural conditioning.
    - flakeoil 2y ago
      You forgot the United States who provides the weapons to Israel.
    - mikrotikker 2y ago
      Compared to other recent conflicts like Iraq and Checnya war etc, the collateral damage in Gaza is pretty good. Israel have done a good job at minimising civilian deaths, if Hamas didn't frustrate the civilians efforts to evacuate or let civilians shelter underground with them, the numbers would be a lot lower still.
  - lyu07282 2y ago
    I don't think so, it's rare that you have such an extreme power imbalance in conflict, only for it then to be viewed as "both sides are equally bad" a hundred years later. We just have a skewed perspective on the proportionality of violence -in the present day-, we tend to gain context over time. Like we can judge a larger struggle over many decades as a congruent whole, instead of only the narrow present instance of a conflict. This also explains why there are so many historical examples of people in the past seemingly be so obviously on the "wrong side of history". It's not that they didn't have largely the same morals than most people today, it's more a cognitive dissonance.
- ajsnigrutin 2y ago
  I know it's a bit unrelated to this exact person, but this is how you get terrorists. Imagine some foreign worker in europe/us, losing all his family this way until s/he literally has nothing left to lose, while the politicians in your new country brag about helping the killers of your family with more weapons and money. Then when someone like that decides to bring the "war" to europe/us, and shoots/bombs/... some people, we all act as if "how is this possible?", "who could have radicalized him like that?" etc. Well, we did.
  - mbs159 2y ago
    Gaza is being leveled to the ground, and thousands of innocent people are killed. Many of the boys who witness that will become terrorists when they grow up, because from their perspective and lack of education - it seems right to respond to violence with violence.

oefrha 2y ago

Damn that was a difficult read. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wael_Al-Dahdouh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wael_Al-Dahdouh 2023-10-28: Wife, 15-year-old son, 7-year-old daughter, a grandson and seven other relatives killed in strike on refugee camp. 2023-12-15: Wounded by missile during filming, cameraman fatally wounded and bled to death with ambulances cut off. 2024-01-07: Eldest son, a journalist, killed in air strike. 2024-01-08: Two nephews killed. 2024-01-16: Evacuted to Egypt/Qatar with family. Probably would have been dead by now or with more dead family members if he remained.

jajko 2y ago
As much as it hurts even writing it, I don't think its a rare story there these days. History will not look kindly at both sides here, they really have no higher moral ground than the other
- drdrek 2y ago
  The moral high ground is for the rich and safe. Both Israel and the Palestinians are under real threats and thus do not care much for morality that is disconnected from PR. Terror is an extremely good tool to dispose of foreign power that takes economic interest in an area, as it makes the endeavor unprofitable. But backfires horribly when it is a local hegemon.
- vharuck 2y ago
  >History will not look kindly at both sides here, they really have no higher moral ground than the other There are four sides here: the Israeli government, Hamas, Israeli citizens, and Palestinian citizens. The first two are the active combatants. The third group were victims in October. The fourth group are still victims today. Killing unarmed and non-hostile citizens is absolutely immoral. Acting in such a reckless way that the majority of casualties are citizens is still immoral. History will look harshly on Hamas for slaughtering thousands of Israeli citizens, and Israel for slaughtering tens of thousands of Palestinian citizens. No rational person should think those citizens were at fault.
  - sanderjd 2y ago
    I think this is absolutely right, so please don't take this as a disagreement with the point you made. But what I think a lot about is the precursor years to these kinds of events. I have a deep well of sympathy for the people of Gaza who have long despised being governed by Hamas, but haven't been able to figure out how to throw them off. They knew Hamas was a disaster waiting to happen, they could see it coming, but still couldn't stop it. And just the same for the opposition in Israel, who have come so close to getting rid of Netanyahu and his ilk on so many occasions. They knew he was a disaster waiting to happen too. I just recently had a friend tell me that many of their Israeli friends and family are leaving the country in disgust. But of course that means that they won't be there to vote against Netanyahu. By losing, he wins. And some of the leaders of Hamas, watching from other countries as the people of Gaza are slaughtered, also get to enjoy the spectacle of young people in the west hoisting their flags and chanting their slogans. By losing, they win too. But what's maddening is that seeing disasters waiting to happen doesn't make it easy to keep them from happening. It can be obvious that it's a disaster waiting to happen to have a presidential candidate in the US refuse to accept the results of elections, and openly plan for an authoritarian consolidation of power, and that might make it less likely to happen, it might make it easier to stop it, but still not easy. Obvious encroaching disasters can still happen, and frequently do. I hate that!
  - mistermann 2y ago
    > No rational person should think those citizens were at fault. Did you read some sort of an impressive proof for this fact prior to epistemically & cognitively (consciously &/or subconsciously) upgrading it to Objectively True? Because for something to be labeled as True in a strict system of logic, it requires a proof. Note also that Consensus Belief of Truth is not identical to Proven Truth, even though it typically appears that way due to our cultural conditioning.
  - flakeoil 2y ago
    You forgot the United States who provides the weapons to Israel.
  - mikrotikker 2y ago
    Compared to other recent conflicts like Iraq and Checnya war etc, the collateral damage in Gaza is pretty good. Israel have done a good job at minimising civilian deaths, if Hamas didn't frustrate the civilians efforts to evacuate or let civilians shelter underground with them, the numbers would be a lot lower still.
- lyu07282 2y ago
  I don't think so, it's rare that you have such an extreme power imbalance in conflict, only for it then to be viewed as "both sides are equally bad" a hundred years later. We just have a skewed perspective on the proportionality of violence -in the present day-, we tend to gain context over time. Like we can judge a larger struggle over many decades as a congruent whole, instead of only the narrow present instance of a conflict. This also explains why there are so many historical examples of people in the past seemingly be so obviously on the "wrong side of history". It's not that they didn't have largely the same morals than most people today, it's more a cognitive dissonance.
ajsnigrutin 2y ago
I know it's a bit unrelated to this exact person, but this is how you get terrorists. Imagine some foreign worker in europe/us, losing all his family this way until s/he literally has nothing left to lose, while the politicians in your new country brag about helping the killers of your family with more weapons and money. Then when someone like that decides to bring the "war" to europe/us, and shoots/bombs/... some people, we all act as if "how is this possible?", "who could have radicalized him like that?" etc. Well, we did.
- mbs159 2y ago
  Gaza is being leveled to the ground, and thousands of innocent people are killed. Many of the boys who witness that will become terrorists when they grow up, because from their perspective and lack of education - it seems right to respond to violence with violence.