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Gaza Health Ministry numbers are a reliable floor, as confirmed by numerous organizations like the US State Department. The real count probably above 100k dead

Gaza Health Ministry numbers are a reliable floor, as confirmed by numerous organizations like the US State Department. The real count probably above 100k dead so far.

YZF 2y ago
I don't think this is true. Can you refer to the US State Department official position on this? It's true that in previous conflicts the numbers were in the ballpark but the breakdown between e.g. combatants and civilians was not. This conflict is very different so I don't think we should be extrapolating. https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/04/09/hamas-run-gaza-health-ministry-admits-to-flaws-in-casualty-data/ https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/04/09/hamas-run-gaza-healt...
verdverm 2y ago
100k would be well above any estimates I've seen from any source This is the best meta-analysis I've seen: https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/gaza-fatality-data-has-become-completely-unreliable https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/gaza-fat... Here is another that questions the statistics of the underlying reported data: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/terror-and-security/unrwa-staff-death-toll-gaza-israel-hamas-war-data/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/terror-and-securit...
- licebmi__at__ 2y ago
  I will say that both analysis seem really repugnant. Specially the first one that first acknowledges the obvious limitation that "only a third of Gaza’s hospitals are even partially functional", to then push the idea that the MOH trying to work under that limitation is an attempt of manipulation. It's absurd to think that releasing less numbers would paint a more accurate picture; but I guess some side would appreciate if people stop counting the dead.
weatherlite 2y ago
No 10 millions at least
TiredOfLife 2y ago
I think you mean ceiling.
victorbjorklund 2y ago
Dont you mean Hamas numbers are a reliable cieling? Why would Hamas undersestimate the number of dead Hamas members/civilians?
- bishbosh 2y ago
  They are correct in saying it's a reliable floor. From AP: >HOW DOES THE MINISTRY ARRIVE AT A DEATH TOLL? >Gaza’s most widely quoted source on casualties is Health Ministry spokesperson Ashraf al-Qidra. From an office at Shifa Hospital in Gaza City, al-Qidra receives a constant flow of data from every hospital in the strip. >Hospital administrators say they keep records of every wounded person occupying a bed and every dead body arriving at a morgue. They enter this data into a computerized system shared with al-Qidra and colleagues. According to screenshots hospital directors sent to AP, the system looks like a color-coded spreadsheet divided into categories: name, ID number, date of hospital entry, type of injury, condition. Given this, it is entirely possible that there are additional dead that otherwise do not make it to the hospital morgue, those lost in rubble, those left behind, or cases were the violence was so great there is no body to note. To your question Hamas has made a point to be conservative and validate the death tolls, meaning that there are likely a great number of dead that don't reach these standards and are not counted. [0] https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-gaza-health-ministry-health-death-toll-59470820308b31f1faf73c703400b033 https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-gaza-health-mini...

Gaza Health Ministry numbers are a reliable floor, as confirmed by numerous organizations like the US State Department. The real count probably above 100k dead so far.

YZF 2y ago

I don't think this is true. Can you refer to the US State Department official position on this? It's true that in previous conflicts the numbers were in the ballpark but the breakdown between e.g. combatants and civilians was not. This conflict is very different so I don't think we should be extrapolating. https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/04/09/hamas-run-gaza-health-ministry-admits-to-flaws-in-casualty-data/ https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/04/09/hamas-run-gaza-healt...

verdverm 2y ago

100k would be well above any estimates I've seen from any source This is the best meta-analysis I've seen: https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/gaza-fatality-data-has-become-completely-unreliable https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/gaza-fat... Here is another that questions the statistics of the underlying reported data: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/terror-and-security/unrwa-staff-death-toll-gaza-israel-hamas-war-data/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/terror-and-securit...

licebmi__at__ 2y ago
I will say that both analysis seem really repugnant. Specially the first one that first acknowledges the obvious limitation that "only a third of Gaza’s hospitals are even partially functional", to then push the idea that the MOH trying to work under that limitation is an attempt of manipulation. It's absurd to think that releasing less numbers would paint a more accurate picture; but I guess some side would appreciate if people stop counting the dead.

weatherlite 2y ago

No 10 millions at least

TiredOfLife 2y ago

I think you mean ceiling.

victorbjorklund 2y ago

Dont you mean Hamas numbers are a reliable cieling? Why would Hamas undersestimate the number of dead Hamas members/civilians?

bishbosh 2y ago
They are correct in saying it's a reliable floor. From AP: >HOW DOES THE MINISTRY ARRIVE AT A DEATH TOLL? >Gaza’s most widely quoted source on casualties is Health Ministry spokesperson Ashraf al-Qidra. From an office at Shifa Hospital in Gaza City, al-Qidra receives a constant flow of data from every hospital in the strip. >Hospital administrators say they keep records of every wounded person occupying a bed and every dead body arriving at a morgue. They enter this data into a computerized system shared with al-Qidra and colleagues. According to screenshots hospital directors sent to AP, the system looks like a color-coded spreadsheet divided into categories: name, ID number, date of hospital entry, type of injury, condition. Given this, it is entirely possible that there are additional dead that otherwise do not make it to the hospital morgue, those lost in rubble, those left behind, or cases were the violence was so great there is no body to note. To your question Hamas has made a point to be conservative and validate the death tolls, meaning that there are likely a great number of dead that don't reach these standards and are not counted. [0] https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-gaza-health-ministry-health-death-toll-59470820308b31f1faf73c703400b033 https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-gaza-health-mini...