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In the case in the article, it sounds like the killed person was walking down the middle of a totally ordinary sidewalk, not a bus stop or intersection or store

In the case in the article, it sounds like the killed person was walking down the middle of a totally ordinary sidewalk, not a bus stop or intersection or storefront or anything. Are you proposing we place bollards on the edges of every sidewalk in existence?

BeefySwain 2y ago
Only the sidewalks next to roads.
- bobthepanda 2y ago
  What sidewalk isn’t next to a road? It’s in the name: side-walk.
  - naikrovek 2y ago
    Which is why they are so dangerous for pedestrians, even though nothing bad happens most of the time.
geraldwhen 2y ago
Anywhere street racing happens, legal or no, probably yes.
- baobabKoodaa 2y ago
  Building streets is going to become pretty expensive if we follow that advice.
  - bobthepanda 2y ago
    It is probably much more doable, and less hostile, to traffic calm streets so that people cannot get up to such speeds, and also to reduce the necessity of driving so that there is no car to crash in the first place.
    - geraldwhen 2y ago
      There’s a residential road not too far from me that is legitimately 8 cars wide. The people there continuously wonder why cars are literally drag racing next to houses. That’s why.
  - ryanmcbride 2y ago
    "won't someone please think of the money"
  - dumbo-octopus 2y ago
    No, building sidewalks will become prohibitively expensive. Building car-only streets with no pedestrian access at all will become comparatively even cheaper and a "great option!" for any cash strapped city planner.
philips 2y ago
> "They say [the car] hit so hard, it exploded the bench," explained Misty Nicholson, McGill's mother.
runeb 2y ago
Lowering the speed limit where there are sidewalks next to cars driving seems to work well in Europe. But that also requires policing of those speed limits so they are not considered mere suggestions by drivers.
- jajko 2y ago
  Just put enough speed cameras, they are much cheaper than any human police guys in long run, can watch 24/7 things like red lights, stops, seat belts, using of phones while driving etc. They can be even connected together for those a-holes who slow down in front of them just go enter again lightspeed right after, its not rocket science in 2024 and all required tech is there for decade and a half. Here in Switzerland even foreigners have their cheeks so tight on the roads even sharpened hair wouldn't cross, they behave like angels and traffic is generally well behaved. And when they don't, punishment is heavy and it doesn't matter how many millions you have on your account or whom you know. Have this, and peace comes. Don't have it, fast a-hole drivers doing whatever they want is not your biggest problem anyway.
  - briHass 2y ago
    These are only useful for otherwise-law-abiding people who go a little too fast. The trend in big cities in the US is to joyride/race with your license plates removed, obscured, or fake, and that's assuming the car isn't stolen (Kia/Hyundai.)
    - dghlsakjg 2y ago
      I think there would be constitutional challenges in the US, but in Canada, the police are allowed/required to seize your vehicle roadside for certain offenses (unfair if you are found not to have committed and offense, but I've never heard of that happening).
  - hombre_fatal 2y ago
    Meanwhile in Texas, red light cameras cannot be used to catch traffic violations as of 2019: https://guides.sll.texas.gov/recording-laws/red-light-cameras https://guides.sll.texas.gov/recording-laws/red-light-camera... In Houston, bollards and raised pedestrian paths were removed recently (after being installed last year) because drivers kept hitting them. It's not a tech issue.
spoonjim 2y ago
A good start would be life without parole for the murderer
paulgb 2y ago
> it sounds like the killed person was walking down the middle of a totally ordinary sidewalk, not a bus stop or intersection or storefront or anything Are we talking about the same article? The article says she was at a bus stop. > Ashlee McGill was waiting at a bus stop at Southeast Stark Street and 133rd Avenue

BeefySwain 2y ago

Only the sidewalks next to roads.

bobthepanda 2y ago
What sidewalk isn’t next to a road? It’s in the name: side-walk.
- naikrovek 2y ago
  Which is why they are so dangerous for pedestrians, even though nothing bad happens most of the time.

geraldwhen 2y ago

Anywhere street racing happens, legal or no, probably yes.

baobabKoodaa 2y ago
Building streets is going to become pretty expensive if we follow that advice.
- bobthepanda 2y ago
  It is probably much more doable, and less hostile, to traffic calm streets so that people cannot get up to such speeds, and also to reduce the necessity of driving so that there is no car to crash in the first place.
  - geraldwhen 2y ago
    There’s a residential road not too far from me that is legitimately 8 cars wide. The people there continuously wonder why cars are literally drag racing next to houses. That’s why.
- ryanmcbride 2y ago
  "won't someone please think of the money"
- dumbo-octopus 2y ago
  No, building sidewalks will become prohibitively expensive. Building car-only streets with no pedestrian access at all will become comparatively even cheaper and a "great option!" for any cash strapped city planner.

philips 2y ago

> "They say [the car] hit so hard, it exploded the bench," explained Misty Nicholson, McGill's mother.

runeb 2y ago

Lowering the speed limit where there are sidewalks next to cars driving seems to work well in Europe. But that also requires policing of those speed limits so they are not considered mere suggestions by drivers.

jajko 2y ago
Just put enough speed cameras, they are much cheaper than any human police guys in long run, can watch 24/7 things like red lights, stops, seat belts, using of phones while driving etc. They can be even connected together for those a-holes who slow down in front of them just go enter again lightspeed right after, its not rocket science in 2024 and all required tech is there for decade and a half. Here in Switzerland even foreigners have their cheeks so tight on the roads even sharpened hair wouldn't cross, they behave like angels and traffic is generally well behaved. And when they don't, punishment is heavy and it doesn't matter how many millions you have on your account or whom you know. Have this, and peace comes. Don't have it, fast a-hole drivers doing whatever they want is not your biggest problem anyway.
- briHass 2y ago
  These are only useful for otherwise-law-abiding people who go a little too fast. The trend in big cities in the US is to joyride/race with your license plates removed, obscured, or fake, and that's assuming the car isn't stolen (Kia/Hyundai.)
  - dghlsakjg 2y ago
    I think there would be constitutional challenges in the US, but in Canada, the police are allowed/required to seize your vehicle roadside for certain offenses (unfair if you are found not to have committed and offense, but I've never heard of that happening).
- hombre_fatal 2y ago
  Meanwhile in Texas, red light cameras cannot be used to catch traffic violations as of 2019: https://guides.sll.texas.gov/recording-laws/red-light-cameras https://guides.sll.texas.gov/recording-laws/red-light-camera... In Houston, bollards and raised pedestrian paths were removed recently (after being installed last year) because drivers kept hitting them. It's not a tech issue.

spoonjim 2y ago

A good start would be life without parole for the murderer

paulgb 2y ago

> it sounds like the killed person was walking down the middle of a totally ordinary sidewalk, not a bus stop or intersection or storefront or anything Are we talking about the same article? The article says she was at a bus stop. > Ashlee McGill was waiting at a bus stop at Southeast Stark Street and 133rd Avenue