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Al Jazeera condemns Israeli government decision to shut down channel
- nasserklump 3y ago[flagged]
- rjbwork 3y ago[flagged]
- psuedo_uuh 3y agoYea I only trust information coming from the IDF on this one
- JohnMakin 3y agoYour statement doesn’t make a ton of sense. Qatar is attempting to mediate this conflict. I suppose if one saw mediation as detrimental to wiping gaza off the map, and one had no issues with a supposedly democratic government making illegal press sources it doesn’t like, then your statement makes more sense.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago> Qatar is attempting to mediate this conflict It’s fair to say it’s unclear what Qatar’s motives are, given their recent sympathy for Iran. (Which, given their geographic situation, makes sense.) I don’t agree with shutting down Al Jazeera. But Qatar seems to benefit from ongoing conflict as it elevates their profile in the region.
- flandish 3y ago[flagged]
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago> the people (hamas) operating the fight against that genocide FYI, voicing support for terrorists undermines sympathy for a cause. (Legitimacy of violence is an old, controversial and unresolvable question. The politics of coalition building are less obscure.)
- flandish 3y agoFYI, one man’s “terrorist” is another’s freedom fighter. Terrorism is not an ideal, it’s a tactic. One the zionists and america uses, but when they do it’s ok? I labeled hamas a “people” because they are not a nation state - not even close.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago> Terrorism is not an ideal, it’s a tactic Sure. But citing comments like yours is how you get an Israel aid package passed by the Congress. (I didn’t lobby on it, but I did on Ukraine, and showing that there are people who support horrible means for their end is a good way to deplete marginal support for that end.)
- flandish 3y ago…why would I want aid for Israel to pass? I don’t want zionism to run a nation state, and for people of all faiths to be .. not under the yoke of apartheid or genocide. I guess I just don’t understand - why it’s ok to criticize “one side’s” tactic and not the other when one of the sides is killing by the thousands, while claiming to be “mowing the lawn.”
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago> why would I want aid for Israel to pass? You probably don’t. > why it’s ok to criticize “one side’s” tactic One of the best assets for people trying to bring down a hammer on Israel are its right-wing politicians explicitly calling for bombing civilians and annexing Gaza. You generally want extremists on the other side to voice support for unpopular things.
- DSingularity 3y agoOh absolutely! It is absolutely not the fact that Al-jazeera coverage has made it hard for America and Israel to deny the ongoing genocide and the abundant war crimes happening constantly.
- jjgreen 3y agoQatar hosts Hamas at US request according to David Petraeus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar_and_state-sponsored_terrorism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar_and_state-sponsored_terr...
- chgs 3y agoFreedom of speech as long as it’s speech I like Very American.
- zelphirkalt 3y agoThe truth hurts! So they finally decided to silence AJ. That makes them look even worse. But hey nothing left to lose, right?
- WalterSear 3y agoIf you can no longer see yourself, you can't know how you look to others.
- corinroyal 3y agoOr they got tired of pretending that AJ was anything other than the propaganda arm of a hostile foreign government.
- IncreasePosts 3y agoLiterally the same government that houses the people who ordered October 7th.
- yonixwm 3y agoEveryone in the comments just assume al jazera is right even tough we have well documented cases when they spread claims who are totally wrong with no journalism due process See: https://honestreporting.com/damage-done-how-al-jazeeras-fake-news-harmed-israels-reputation-in-less-than-24-hours/#:~:text=That%20was%20the%20case%20this,trying%20to%20silently%20bury%20it https://honestreporting.com/damage-done-how-al-jazeeras-fake... So to say truth has been silenced is off the mark imo Edit: haaretz link https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/palestinians/2024-03-25/ty-article/.premium/al-jazeera-retracts-video-claiming-woman-was-raped-by-israeli-forces-in-gaza-al-shifa-raid/0000018e-7662-d3e0-a98e-7766b4a50000 https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/palestinians/2024-0...
- aqme28 3y agoThey're a modern news site so I agree with you that fake or sloppy news is a problem, however this example is that they interviewed someone who made an inflammatory claim, and then the next day removed the claims when it came out that they were false. That hardly seems that bad for our modern news landscape. And then you have a meme of some AJ reporters saying "Terrorists in press dresses." captioned "You can't put lipstick on a pig, you can't put a press vest on a terrorist." That's pretty inflammatory and biased too!
- thendrill 3y agoI guess... They don't want anyone documenting and spredning the autraucites they are commiting.
- YZF 3y agoPeople working in the Israeli Al-Jazeera office don't have any direct access to report from Gaza. There is also a large foreign press presence in Israel (vs. zero in Gaza e.g.) anyways so you'll still get plenty of direct reporting from Israel and the West Bank that's unfiltered (vs. zero in Gaza e.g.). https://foreignpressassociation.online/who-we-are/ https://foreignpressassociation.online/who-we-are/ Al Jazeera isn't free media. It's the propaganda arm of Qatar. "Several journalists have been arrested and jailed, or even deported – in most cases for taking too close an interest in the working conditions of immigrant workers. The authorities do not hesitate, if necessary, to convict bloggers who are local residents of “disseminating false information”. This is how the blogger Malcolm Bidali was detained for a month before being deported to his country of origin, Kenya, after paying a fine." - https://rsf.org/en/country/qatar https://rsf.org/en/country/qatar
- chgs 3y agoYou’re right there are other media outlets Oh. “A BBC team visited the scene, but was prevented from filming or going into the hotel by police.” It’s the kind of behaviour you expect in Egypt https://www.wired.com/2011/01/al-jazeera-closed/ https://www.wired.com/2011/01/al-jazeera-closed/ That was followed by arrests https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/01/29/268481172/detention-of-al-jazeera-journalists-strains-free-speech-in-egypt https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/01/29/268481172...
- YZF 3y agoThere was plenty of coverage of the closure including photos. Not sure what you're insinuating here. Israel has free press and no it's not like Egypt. In your bastions of democracy (pick one?) Journalists can't go anywhere they want to. If the police is operating in an area they might restrict access to it. That has nothing to do with freedom of the press. E.g. in the USA the first amendment does not guarantee journalists access to non-public spaces (like a hotel is). https://freedomhouse.org/country/israel https://freedomhouse.org/country/israel https://rsf.org/en/country/israel https://rsf.org/en/country/israel https://freedomhouse.org/country/egypt https://freedomhouse.org/country/egypt https://rsf.org/en/country/egypt https://rsf.org/en/country/egypt
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- dunekid 3y agoTrue, It is the Zionists. I can see the vast majority of the faith are against this inhuman occupation and genocide. Especially those who have first hand experience of the holocaust. At any point opposing the genocidal regime should not equate to hating on the people. The regime wants it and thrives on it.
- rendall 3y ago"The Zionists" is a dog whistle. Nobody would care about "The Zionists" if they weren't Jews. We know this because Israel's neighbors kill and displace Muslims at a far greater rate than Israel would even dream, and no one is out there protesting, building encampments and roughing up passersby. Rational arguments for Israel are dismissed out of hand by "anti-Zionists" such as yourself because "The Zionists always lie". Mitigating history is simply elided. Rockets fired indiscriminately into civilian population centers by Palestinians are "resistance". Intifada after Israeli peace offers are "resistance". Murdering civilians is "resistance". Military campaigns to end this behavior is "genocide". Dog whistle, through and through. The pro-Palestinian movement has a literal, direct, documented connection to Nazis, and its behavior is entirely dedicated to the elimination of the only Jewish state in existence without compromise or negotiation, yet it's "The Zionists" who are accused of genocide.
- runarberg 3y agoThere are so many untrue statements in this post, I don’t even know where to begin: > Israel's neighbors kill and displace Muslims at a far greater rate than Israel would even dream What are you talking about? Are you saying that Israel wants to kill Muslims? Israel has so far killed over 34000 Palestinians in the ongoing genocide. This level of killing is nowhere to be found in the neighboring region. You’ll have to go all the way to Sudan to find a similar number, where there is a civil war, and (yes) a plausible genocide. Even before Oct 7. in 2023 alone Israel killed at least 278 Palestinians in the West Bank (including 70 children). You don’t see these kind of number in the neighboring countries. > The pro-Palestinian movement has a literal, direct, documented connection to Nazis Where? Can you provide me with a source. I don’t recall this in the news. And even if they did, this does not negate the Palestinian cause. If a particular member of a particular movement has documented connection to Nazis, and said movement does not kick that person out and denounce them, then that single movement should be denounced, and this would not affect other movements. > and its behavior is entirely dedicated to the elimination of the only Jewish state in existence without compromise or negotiation I’ll leave aside for a moment the fact that you take it as a given that a particular groups should have an ethno-state deticated to them, but who wants to eliminate Israel without compromise or negotiations? Most of everybody wants negotiations, even staunch proponents of a 1-state solution usually want guaranteed civil rights to Jews and Arabs alike (albeit, sometimes omitting recent settlers in occupied West Bank from this). Even Hamas is currently advocating for a 2 state solution with a right to return for displaced Palestinians. Who is this group that doesn’t want any compromise or negotiations. Honestly Israel is much more uncompromising than any pro-Palestinian actor. That said, being against an ethno-state is not an unreasonable, nor a racist position to take. A lot of people wanted Rhodesia to stop existing, they were not racists, they simply didn’t think it was reasonable that a segregationist settler colonial state should exist on indigenous lands. > "The Zionists" is a dog whistle It is not. Zionism is an ideology distinct from Judasim. There are plenty of non-zionist Jews, and even more non-Jewish Zionists. Zionism is neither a necessary, nor a sufficient condition of Judaism. Most pro-Palistinian demonstrators do in fact call out non-Jewish zionists, such as Joe Biden, all the time.
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- DSingularity 3y agoIs there anyone taking even the slightest pro-Palestinian angle whom you wouldn’t slander as being pro-hamas?
- amriksohata 3y agoNo doubt both sides have propoganda, but for anyone who watches AJ, literally every news piece every 15 minute covers Gaza so much so its mind numbing. I'm also yet to see any balance on it. Are they telling lies? Maybe not. Are they partial? Yes.
- DSingularity 3y agoIt seems hardly fair to denounce one side of the scale as unbalanced as people lean on its other side. The fact is that on this topic the propaganda with all its disinformation and misinformation is persistent, pervasive in media, and potent. You can start to see it for yourself — simply take a shallow dive into the history of this subject and you will immediately notice the degree of the active distortion of all discourses on this topic in the modern media. It won’t take you a weekend to read any one of the below books on this topic. After which you will start to notice how the journalists and the op-ed authors leave out highly relevant details regarding the origins of the problems in order to — time and time again - blame the Palestinians for their plight and ultimately frame them as responsible for their suffering. It’s not the Zionists that steal Palestinian land and demolish/steal existing houses to build new settlements it’s the Palestinians that didn’t accept a supposedly “fair peace deal” while nobody mentions that said deal requires giving up the right of return of millions of refugees displaced in 1948. It’s not the F16 pilot that bombed the residential compound filled with civilians it’s the civilians that voted a decade ago for Hamas. And on and on. Read a short book and start to see for yourself. 1. The Hundred Years War on Palestine - Khalidi (Palestinian Arab author) 2. The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine - Pappe (Israeli Jewish author)
- amriksohata 3y agoBefore we talk of Israelis taking "Palestinian" land remember that Jewish population numbers have literally been wiped from every Arab country. They just want a land where Arabs won't obliterate them, and yes, Gazans came from Arab countries. Infact Arabs have gone to war with Israel many times, so when you see the 10,000 foot view, its very different to just to 1000 foot view focusing on "Palestine"
- rajishx 3y agoIsn't the same as when RT was not allowed to broadcast in Europe after the war? I wonder why the news about Al Jazeera and Israel makes more splash than the RT and Russia news
- ac130kz 3y agoFinally, there won't be direct propaganda. Freedom should be available to those, who value it, not those who actively promote terrorism and cover it up with lies.